BrahimHemdani

I think it's a combination of both realy. I accept what you say and actually it's the top 6 - ENG, SP, GER, [3] ITA, FRA, POR [2] teams go straight in but the changes they made also give the Champs of the lesser countries an easier route in and this has been successful for the likes of Apoel of CYP.

I disagree it is not UEFA's fault it is the failure of our Clubs to do anything in Europe. Last season: 21st Scotland 5 teams 5 2 7 1 6 3 4 18.0 Average 3.600 39 Glasgow Rangers EL 0 0 0 1 6 3 4 12.0 95 Motherwell EL 3 1 2 0 0 0 0 3.5 115 Celtic EL 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 2.0 168 Dundee United EL 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0.5 202 Hibernian EL 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 This season boosted by Celtic's bye!: 25th Scotland 4 teams 4 4 4 1 3 2 0 11.0 Average 2.750 64 Celtic EL 2 0 0 1 3 2 0 7.0 115 Hearts FC EL 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 2.0 144 Dundee United EL 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 166 Glasgow Rangers EL 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 Last figure is points gained. It is a fascinating site and goes back many years.

Absolutely correct and by reference to the wonderful Bert Kassie's site: 2012/13 as Scotland were 15th in 2011 the SPL Runner's Up this season will play in CL(NC)Q3 & 3rd Place go into the ELQ3 2013/14 as Scotland are 18th this year (which still includes our 2007/08 run to Manchester) the SPL Champions next season play in the CLQ3, 2nd and 3rd play in the ELQ2. 2014/15 we are provisionally down to 26th so the SPL Champs have to start in the CLQ2, 2nd go into the ELQ2 and third start in the ELQ3!

This will include Douglas Park most likely as well as King. Andy Smillie is another candidate as is Saty Singh.

This thread seems to have gone a bit off the rails!

I agree with your assessment. As I have posted twice previously, Ellis himself had no interest in Rangers FC as such, it was put to him originally as a business opportunity. I will try to find out more about what he knows.

And it will get even more difficult as we sink down the coefficient rankings and have to start in Q1 or Q2 in years to come.

Corrected thanks, too early in the morning for me!

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7157/noticeofappointmenttose.pdf

The Notice to Season Ticket and Debenture Holders came in on email overnight and I have spent the past hour trying to get it into a format to post on the site and failed miserably. I put it here but apparently the file size is too big and I can't mange to seoparate the letter from the documents. So perhaps one of the administrators can do it. Anyway the salient point is that "The Joint Administrators' Statement of Proposals will be available no later than eight weeks from the date of appointment" (14 February 2012) which gives them until the 10th of April, so if they get a move on it might not be too late for European Football.

Not according to my source but if it was £1.7M that might include the infamous VAT which would take it down to £1.416M so not a million miles apart.

I was interested in this statement on the saverangers site "Club profits should be reinvested, not paid out as dividends." When was the last time we paid a dividend? Certainly not in the 30 years I have been a shareholder.

A leading member of the Arsenal Trust has commented:

They would be sueing him for defamation; they would be sueing the Club for constructive dismissal. I would suspect that the Administrators will settle with Bain pretty quickly now (although they might prefer him as an unsecured creditor). He has £400k of the £1.3M for Boughera frozen as well.

Well now we have the answer to that one. Apparently HMRC used the £4M plus they had frozen in our bank account for the "wee tax case" to pay the £4.1M due on the tickets.

That's an average of £869. It's not totally out of the box rbr. The research RST did in 2010 suggested most people would pay £500-£1000 and quite a few said they would pay significantly more. But I do agree with you that pledges are one thing; collecting them is quite another.

You are correct or as near correct as makes non difference. Celtic raised £14M and created 15,000 new shareholders as follows. Cost £620 £1240 - £2480 £3100 & above Level Supporter Membership Investor Club In Celticâ??s case, over 80% of those who subscribed did so at the â??entry-levelâ?? value of £620. This also indicates that 80% of the people raised only around half of the realized amount â?? the remaining 20% of shareholders raising the other half. Rangers already have approx. 15,000 shareholders. When I was Secretary of RST in 2010 we looked at this in great detail and came up with a minimum figure of £600 which we thought was realistic at that time. The plan was to raise the £30M thought neceassary to buy the Club by getting 20,000 people to pay £1,500 in total (£600 up front and £15 per month) over 5 years with the up front total required to make the purchase underwritten by the client of a large firm of solicitors. Of course there are number of ways to vary these figures. I am sorry that I don't have time at the moment to go into more detail but hope that helps.

Depressing isn't the word

The relationship with Arsenal was so strong that we used to play them in a friendly every season, home one year, away the next.

The shortfall simply expressed is current income (this year's season ticket money, match day sales, commercial income (corporate boxes, TV etc) less current expenditure (mainly wages and maintenance costs). With the size of player squad we have and their wages we need European income to balance the books. The shortfall is not created by selling the next three year's season tickets to Ticketus but it might have been covered by it (although that would have been anything but prudent) except for the fact that it was mainly used to pay off LBG as you say. Out of the £6.4M (£24.4 - £18.0) £4.1M is VAT on the tickets and the next big question is has that been paid? Hope this helps.

You cannot be serious about Bocanegra, surely; a top quality 100 times capped internationalist who is our real captain on the pitch and still has a few years in him, if Davy Weir is anything to go by. We could be doing with a few more like him.

This needs a bit of research on the numbers Zappa but remember that CW was talking THIS season with no European money, so as with 2008 we are down say £10-15M which is the difference between a small profit and a big loss. Squad was apparently 30 players and at least three were put on £25k+/week (£1.25M/season); plus Healy, Goian, Bocanegra, must be on at least £10k, Jelavic would have been more than that, Weir was also on £10k+ and Naismith? A half million here a half million there soon adds up.

Not quite sure what you mean here, GB. The "season book money" or season tickets is the tickets that Ticketus have bought, or at least about 2/3rds of them, for the next three seasons.

Not suprisingly perhaps, the EPL are not excited about the licensing proposals in this document but Scotland has had a licensing scheme for some years.

OK so it was £20.3M for the tickets and £4.1M VAT. What happened to the VAT? Doesn't seem to be part of the £9M if that also included the "wee tax case", PAYE, NIC and other VAT?