BrahimHemdani

A very good question that made me laugh out loud and nearly spill my Friday night brandy.

What would the "the appropriation action" be I wonder?

YES you are (being too sceptical).

Right on there mate, happened right in front of me, unbelievable miss. As I said, we could and should have won that game 2-0.

Some good news here especially on the shares and Whyte's "status" or lack of it as a secured creditor. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting at Taylor Wessing. Let's hope the smarmy git gets his full comeuppance.

I was in Malmo and in my opinion we would have won that game 1-0 with 10 men and at least drawn the tie and gone to penalties and quite possibly won 2-0 as we were well on top when Boughera lost the plot. He was on his way and should not have played. You could clearly see him flick out at players all night. I enjoyed watching him as a football player but that night he was a disaster waiting to happen. The Whittaker incident was out of character but Boughera sadly was entirely predictable. Goian and Weir were out but Broadfoot or McCulloch could have played CB. I blame Ally for that. I was in Maribor as well. We were comfortable playing 4-5-1 and 1-0 up at half time. Naismith was rightly subbed because he was one foul away from a red card and was fortunate to be able to walk off with the rest of the team at half time. IMHO what should have happened is that Ortiz should have been moved to the right and Wylde brought on the left and retained the 4-5-1 but Ally brought on Lafferty and went 4-4-2 when the game was already won and we didn't need to chase another goal. I am confident that we would have held out for the 1-0, possibly 2-0 or at worst drawn 1-1 but instead we got turned over in the second half. I have to blame Ally for that as well. Maribor were not a pub team but they were more or less amateurs. Their total budget was Euros 10M and it is a fact that most of their players did not earn in a season what our top earners made in a week. Also worth remembering that these two teams managed one point each in their groups. In the league I think it would have been difficult for any manager to maintain the lead after losing three strikers but the cup losses at Falkirk in particular were poor. Overall, I think a lot of questions would have been asked had it not been for the other goings on.

I doubt if it's theft though it certainly was morally bankrupt. No doubt that's a line the administrators might pursue; how can you sell something you don't legitimately own? Jelavic? But I think that the problem might be that it wasn't Craig Whyte who sold anything it was the Club, so if the sales were carried out properly then it might be difficult to unravel but it's worth a shout.

Big travelling support, product exposure in Scotland for English sponsors to start........

I should have an answer on this from the SD Europe expert tomorrow.

I'm happy to leave it, the first one is a big enough fantasy!

Or more sensible............................(I mean the ones here)

Yes that sounds quite probable to me but as I have just said on the new thread I can get guidance from this from SD Europe, more anon.

I like it but it's up to the Administrators (of Gersnet, not Rangers FC)!

I got through, see #19. I can get guidance on this from SD Europe, more anon.

It's a point well made and there are a long list of such examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country

He said that "Cardiff City (1921–29, 1952–57 and 1960–62) and Swansea City (1981–83) have played in the old Football League First Division, the top division of English football at that time. Cardiff City are also the only non-English side to have won the FA Cup, winning it in 1927; they again reached the final in 2008, prompting the English FA to change the rules to allow Welsh clubs to represent England in UEFA competitions should they qualify to do so.[2]"

That is a very good question! I think that it is up to the League concerned which Club(s) they put forward for European competition and I can see how if you were Newcastle for example and you finished one place behind Swansea who were in a UEFA spot technically, you might not have an issue with them playing in "your" League but you might have an issue with them playing in a UEFA competition on the back of it. Of course Swansea would take the opposite view - if we're good enough.... Excuse me a moment while I phone up Michel Platini........

I may be wrong about this but I think it's where you play your football that matters not where your Club is registered.

There would be no harm in asking but I wouldn't build up your hopes.

I suppose you could argue that but it's UEFA's job to protect the integrity of football under their jursidiction.

Because we play in Scotland and it's the English league. I know about the Welsh clubs but that is historic and apparently UEFA will not allow it to happen now.

Not the same thing mate. Yes, International football is governed by FIFA at least in terms of a World Cup or Olympic Tournament.

Absolutely not.

As I said on the Fantasy/Nightmare thread I started last night, my understanding is that UEFA will not allow it.

http://www.channel4.com/news/scottish-football-fans-contemplate-a-future-without-rangers Rangers Football Club is at risk of not completing its remaining fixtures, going into liquidation and losing its Scottish Premier League status, the High Court has heard. Financial experts trying to revive the ailing club have said they were continuing to meet prospective buyers and making "every effort" to "ensure survival". But administrators Duff and Phelps warned that the scale of cost cutting needed would be "very substantial indeed". And the London-based firm, said no-one should be in any doubt about the seriousness of the Glasgow club's position. Earlier, Mark Phillips QC, a lawyer representing Duff and Phelps outlined the dangers facing Rangers during the latest round of litigation in the wake of the club's decline. Mr Phillips gave detail of Rangers' plight to Mr Justice Warren as administrators made legal moves aimed at securing as much cash as possible for creditors. Grave consequences "There is a risk that the club will fail to fulfil its fixtures. If that happens consequences would be grave," he told the judge. "There is a risk that the club could go into liquidation and be demoted by the Scottish League, which would eliminate any realistic prospect of a sale of the club for any sum worthwhile to creditors." Administrators want to secure £3.6m which was held in an account belonging to the London-based solicitors of club owner Craig Whyte. Mr Phillips said administrators thought that the sum would make a "significant contribution" to the survival of the club. But the judge was told that a number of other organisations - including tax authorities - had staked a claim on chunks of that cash. A judge is due to decide who should get what after a High Court trial which begins on 30th March, when lawyers will make arguments on behalf of organisations claiming cash. Rangers' joint administrator David Whitehouse, told reporters afterwards that they are in talks with players over redundancies and pay cuts, and hope to have another meeting tomorrow. He also confirmed that the administrators are also speaking to potential buyers to bring forward a sale, which would limit the number of redundancies. "We need to know that we have got an ongoing funding structure otherwise we will have to make what are significant redundancies in the playing staff," he said. The first indication of problems at Rangers came in April 2010 when the club admitted that it was being investigated by Revenue and Customs, accused of avoiding 10 years worth of tax and National Insurance by paying employees through offshore trusts. A year later, Scottish tycoon Craig Whyte bought the club for just £1, but it was later revealed that he had borrowed £24m against Rangers' next three years season ticket sales to pay off club debts. The club's plight, which could result in its exit from the Scottish Premier League, has divided fans. Some argue that Scotland would be better off without Rangers' dominance over other clubs along with Old Firm rival Celtic. 'Too powerful' But other fans, including Hearts-supporting Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, argue that Rangers must be saved for the sake of the future of Scottish football and for the country. Paul Brennan, editor of Celtic Quick News, disagrees with Salmond: "Celtic and Rangers are both too powerful for Scottish football, which is not healthy for anyone, including them. The other clubs need to be able to genuinely compete. "The narrative from some is that this will be bad for Scottish football but it could also be a positive event," he added. "TV income is already so low that it is scarcely worth having, although clubs already on a tight budget would need to readjust to life without it. There will also be a competitive bonus, as well as potential new fans for other clubs from those who are no longer travelling to Ibrox. Mr Brennan predicts that Rangers' problems will see a change in the Scottish game's approach to developing footballers. "The upshot will be no more scouting foreign players who cannot get a contract in England, and reverting to what we used to be good at in Scotland â?? developing talent." Alan Harris, chair of Supporters Direct, which aims to encourage supporters' involvement in their clubs, said the problems at Rangers shows that "the single owner model is bust", but he says that supporters would need to raise in the order of £30m to £40m to take over the club. He added that this would be difficult, though not impossible. "From a Supporters Direct perspective we would want the fans to have some involvement in running the club. It's a lot more difficult at a big club for fans to have a significant say than in a smaller club." Mr Harris said that the dwindling number of spectators in Scottish Premier League suggests that a revamp is needed. He added that the plight of Rangers is an opportunity to create a league where money is distributed more equally, that is more competitive and fans have more say in clubs. As a lifelong Rangers fan, although independent of any club supporters' organisations, Mr Harris said he enjoyed watching players like Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup and Ronald de Boer in Rangers' heyday. But he now recognises how heavy spending on transfer fees and player wages contributed to the problems. "This is purely my personal opinion and not on behalf of all Ranger fans - I might be happier if the club went into liquidation and started afresh," he said. "Rangers fans will bear the pain and hopefully there will be a brighter future."