BrahimHemdani

Celtic are the Club who have stubbornly resisted the imposition of strict liability because they know full well from their record in Europe that they are the Club with most to lose. We should take the moral high ground by supporting strict liability then they and others could no longer rely on the "reasonably practicable" defence. Of course it does mean that we will have to do everything in our power to prevent any unacceptable conduct at Ibrox. Strict liability will come sooner or later, either the Clubs will adopt it voluntarily, or it will be imposed by government.

On the contrary we will then find ourselves on the same side of the fence as Celtic; not exactly the moral high ground.

I could say, I've no idea where she lives ; but I'll be content with: apparently so http://www.safarithatch.com/spanish-heather/

WOW. Let's hope MW plays him in CMF and not wide right cutting in. However, the worrying question would be if he is so good how come he has only played 6 games of football this season and most of the rest of the time not even been in the squad or got off the bench. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jon-toral/leistungsdaten/spieler/193593 It's not as if Granada (19th in la liga) are exactly setting the Spanish heather on fire.

He was a joy to watch and I sincerely hope he comes back fitter and stronger; but I understand your doubts.

Indeed. There is a strong rumour that they will complete a north London double by taking Oduwa (who has now returned to Spurs) as well.

I was careful to say he hadn't played a league game. I agree he has something in his locker, he passes the ball sideways and backwards very well. Anyway, moving on to another star of season 2015/16; I see that one Nathan Oduwa who has never played a first team game of any description for Spurs, has featured 9 times on loan for Peterborough Utd this season.

Yes and one in the LC; 2 games in 3 seasons ex the season with us. I know we won't agree on this but I have said all along that he wouldn't make the grade at Arsenal and that they would transfer him, it's just taken 6 months longer than I said.

My point is that all Clubs will do the minimum they have to do to comply with the rules, because they are at virtually no risk of punishment they place placating supporters ahead of compliance with the rules. I believe I am correct in saying that Motherwell are the only club ever to have been found guilty of such offences and even then all they had to do was write a few reports etc http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/Sport/14262264.Motherwell_guilty_of_SPFL_rules_breach_after_pitch_invasion_at_the_end_of_Fir_Park_play_off_victory_over_Rangers/ The football equivalent of a schoolboy getting a hundred lines. The only way to deal with this problem is to hit the home clubs where it hurts, instantly and severely: close the ground (or a section of the ground where the trouble occurred) for the next home game; fine them a meaningful amount of money, like £100,000 for a first offence or at least the next offence after a first and final warning; or dock points on a sliding scale - say warning after ground closure then 3 points, then 6 points. Stuff like that, will make the clubs sit up and take notice. But Doncaster knows that the clubs will never willingly introduce such measures, so long as they write their own rule book it will never happen. So incidents will continue to occur and eventually the government will lose patience and impose strict liability, then and only then will the clubs impose meaningful sanctions on themselves.

He was excellent in his last two games, totally ran the show at Inverness; "“Niko, we knew, had probably had three or four years of not being really pushed. “The idea was to get him to nought to 30, then nought to 60, and then progress on. “You saw the impact he had coming on as sub against Kilmarnock and Motherwell, then he started against Partick and in Inverness. He was having more and more influence " (MW) http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/14820884.Mark_Warburton_backs_Niko_Kranjcar_to_return_to_full_fitness_for_Rangers_after_knee_injury/

Not enough for one league game in Arsenal's first team.

This is complete and utter nonsense. The Clubs are not now and never have been committed to stamping out unacceptable conduct. Doncaster knows that full well. So long as the "reasonably practicable" defence remains there will always be a get out for clubs who can prove as they will all be able to do, that they followed the guidance in terms of policing, stewarding, announcements, etc etc etc. In fact by setting out what constitutes, "reasonably practicable" measures they will ensure that Clubs have a better defence than hitherto when the unacceptable conduct occurs. The recommendations made in 2012 have not worked. Amendments to the SPL Unacceptable Conduct Rules 38. The JRG has recommended that the definition of “Unacceptable Conduct” within the SPL Rules (and by extension, those of the SFA) be extended to include ‘using words, conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act 2000’. Amendments to the guidance for clubs on the SPL Unacceptable Conduct Rules 39. Further recommendations have been made for amendments to the accompanying guidance notes which set out the minimum steps expected of SPL clubs in relation to Unacceptable Conduct. These amendments will place requirements on SPL clubs to: Bring unacceptable conduct to the attention of the Match Commander; o Take reasonably practical steps, including consultation with police, to identify those who engage in Unacceptable Conduct; Once identified, to apply proportionate sanctions against a supporter, or person exercising function for a club (other than as an official or an employee); Include requirements in all SPL clubs’ match ticket conditions, season ticket conditions and in Ground Regulations for supporters to adhere to a Fans Charter/Code of Conduct (once finalised); submit interim and annual reports to the SPL Secretary detailing actions taken to prevent unacceptable supporter conduct and steps taken to address unacceptable conduct that does occur; Maintain records of requests for police assistance, and or police interventions in relation to incidents of unacceptable conduct and the responses given. http://www.gov.scot/Resource/Doc/925/0123798.pdf The rule change making opposition to proscribed groups unacceptable conduct, was and is ludicrous; this was introduced as a sop to the police so they could appear even handed. I argued at the time that it was entirely illogical; but it was pushed through because the Police wanted it. I told the Government Ministers at the final JAG meeting in 2012 that the only way to ensure that Clubs took responsibility for unacceptable conduct of spectators is to enforce strict liability. At the time the Justice Minister, Kenny MacAskill said that they wanted to give the new rules a chance but if they didn't work then they would be minded to force the SPL to introduce strict liability. "The changes mean clubs are now expected to take disciplinary measures against any supporter shown to have breached the rules or the league will take steps to sanction the club. Member clubs are also now expected to "develop proactive programmes and make progress towards raising awareness of the prevention and, where present, elimination of unacceptable conduct in stadia in which official matches take place." This is just bullshit; clubs already take disciplinary measures against supporters they can identify as being involved in unacceptable conduct and producing a glossy brochure will do nothing in terms of prevention. The new move can be seen as the final attempt by the Clubs to stave of the inevitable imposition of strict liability by government, the next time there is a major incident. An SPFL spokesman said: "Dialogue is continuing with the Scottish Government on a number of further recommendations which will be discussed early in 2017." You bet your life it is.

Scottish Invasion - 8,000 Rangers fans in the approach RB Leipzig is still in the training camp in Portugal. There will be a new test against Ajax Amsterdam on Wednesday in another test match to the Portuguese third-league SC Farense. But also the test game against the Glasgow Rangers on Sunday (3.30 pm in the Red Bull Arena) raises its shadows, especially with the Rangers fans. Mark Warburton is impressed by Rangers fans To this game, Rangers coach Mark Warburton expects up to 8,000 Rangers fans. Warburton finds the support of the Daily Record "phenomenal". "I'm not sure what Red Bull Leipzig has to think about the number of Rangers fans," he says impressed. In the crowd of fans, he also recognizes a great hunger for European football. "This is what we want to achieve this season." So that you can not go to Europe for a test match next season. Test against RB Leipzig instead of flight to Florida Instead of the game in Leipzig you would also have the option to fly to Florida and play several test games there. But then one would have come back too late to prepare for a cup game on 20.01.2017. "Leipzig will be the kind of task we need. They are second in the Bundesliga and a pressing team with high energy. "Warburton is looking forward to the challenge. With up to two new entries live on TV The Glasgow Rangers might have one or two new arrivals. But it would have to be players who fit into the team. With which new arrivals the Scottish club arrives is still unclear. Only that you will get a big fan support is clear. The fans, who can not watch the game live in the Red Bull Arena, but must not forgo the game. Both the MDR and Servus TV want to broadcast the match live on TV and as a stream.

8000 Rangers fans in Leipzig The Rangers from Glasgow will be playing a test match at Rasenballsport Leipzig in the former central stadium on Sunday at 15:30. The Scottish club will be supported by 8,000 Rangers fans, who will be on their way to Leipzig next weekend. "So many fans told me they could not wait for the first European game, but I never thought that between seven and eight thousand fans would go to Germany for a test match," said Mark Warburton, Rangers coach. On Sunday 8,000 Rangers fans are expected in Leipzig. <br /> Picture: Euroluftbild.de On Sunday 8,000 Rangers fans are expected in Leipzig. Image: Euroluftbild.de The Rangers rejected an offer for test games in Florida in the USA because of the long journey and test in the short Scottish winter break in the closer Leipzig. The Rangers are currently in the Scottish Premier League on the second table, behind the rival Celtic. This second place would mean the qualification for the Europa League at the end of the season. For the first time since the forcible departure in 2012, the Rangers would again be qualified for a European competition. Ranger's fans are longing for these trips. RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg had in the past repeatedly problems well-known test play opponents in Germany to find. Several test games were canceled after fan protests. RB Leipzig now seems increasingly to find international test play opponents. RB Leipzig played in the training camp against Ajax Amsterdam and lost 5-1. (Fascination, 10.01.2017)

Google translation Such a test game has not experienced German football for a long time. On Sunday, RB Leipzig will face Glasgow Rangers. The Scots come in droves. Special pages are printed, the coach is amazed. 0 comments * display To points it does not go. Also, it is not critical who wins or loses the game. Because it is only one of those tests, of which there are many for the Formcheck during the winter break. But for the annex of the Glasgow Rangers, which are on Sunday with German national team RB Leipzig at 3.30 pm, the sporty comparison is second-rate anyway. Around 8,000 fans of the Scottish first division will accompany their team to Leipzig. They are so numerous, because they want to quiet their longing a little, to see the Rangers playing again on the European stage. "Many fans have told me that they can not wait for the first European game. I did not want to believe that between 7000 and 8000 fans would travel to Germany for a test match, "said Mark Warburton, the Rangers coach. display After the bankruptcy of 2012 and the consequent descent into the fourth league, the Rangers had fought back with three ascents within four years in the first class. Behind the reigning champion Celtic Glasgow, the club, which was able to celebrate 54 championships in its history, is now ranked second after 21 matches. This place would mean the qualification for the Europa League at the end of the season. And if that succeeds, the Rangers would be qualified for a European competition for the first time since the forcible departure in 2012. "The fans long for European football" The fact that 8,000 supporters are on the way to Leipzig shows how great the desire for the international games is. The Reiselust of the Rangers appendix has been a topic in the Scottish media for days. The "Daily Record" devoted a whole report to the followers, from whom a large number flew to Berlin and from there to Leipzig, for the trip to Leipzig. The city of Leipzig, the stadium in which the game will take place and the Augustusplatz as a possible starting point, will be presented. Even to the low prices compared to Glasgow for half a liter of beer (2.70 to 3.20 euros) is referred. "We will have phenomenal support in Germany," said coach Warburton, "The fans are longing for European football. To play again, we want to reach this season. " The start is made on Sunday - even if this is not a mandatory game

I envisage a complete takeover of the Market Square etc The numbers travelling are incredible. By my reckoning apart from Manchester and Barcelona this will be the biggest away European support I can recall for many a year. Is there anything in the local papers?

We desperately need Kranjcar back fully fit next season; he can make a real difference to our MF.

Whilst another young man is on the way out it seems https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/borussia-dortmund-gedion-zelalem-arsenal

I'd like to thank dB for this and other very helpful information provided by PM on the trains to and from Leipzig. Unfortunately he cannot be at the match, but I'm sure he'll be there in spirit :cheers:

Kevin Kyle

I have to put in a word for Charltonman's favourite pool player, James Beattie. He didn't manage a goal for us and IIRC he didn't score for anyone for the best pert of 3 years until he bagged a penalty for Accrington Stanley, who were so impressed that they made him the manager.

Note the assist from another legend, Sebooooo

I'm really not sure I see the point of us signing players on a 6 month loan with the objective of "sending him back a better player". How does that advance the cause of Glasgow Rangers? We have been well served by American players in the past: Claudio Reyna was a very talented midfielder who captained his country and played in 4 World Cups for the US; Maurice Edu was a much stronger player than many gave him credit for, much under-rated IMO; and de Marcus Beasley could devastate defences when the mood took him (unfortunately not very often) but did score that memorable third goal in Lyon. But unless we can sign them to normal contracts I agree with those who say we should give our own youngsters a game first. What this does say to me is that MW recognises that absent: Barton, Kranjcar and Rossiter (who appears to be the next thing to a write off unfortunately), Windass isn't good enough to hold down a place in CMF and Crooks isn't good enough to get a game at all (and should be shipped out asap); plus he knows that he needs to challenge Halliday and Holt. However, it seems clear that DK will not loosen the purse strings sufficiently to allow decent purchases at this point in time because he feels confident that we can secure Europe with the current squad and a few temporary reinforcements. The real problem, as I've argued here before will come next July if and when we are in the Europa League Q1 with the more or less the same team as we have now.

I will be very pleasantly surprised if Mackay signs another contract, the one year extension (when apparently a longer deal was on the table) was clearly deliberate on his part.