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Can't say I see the relevance... Or is being irrelevant quintessentially British? There is a more appropriate place for this thread - the Bluenose Lounge.

Both are nothing in particular to do with Rangers Chat or Celtic Chat which is the same to me. Should we also start irrelevant threads about Alex Salmond in here? I thought the request to move was implied in my moan... And obviously I don't see it as a moan - I see it as pointing out the obvious flaws with it being in Rangers Chat and flaws in our character for keeping it there. Sometimes a wake up call is needed; however, it's rarely welcome.

PS No wonder so many of us have become secular.

Does anyone on here know what the protestant religion is actually about? Really don't see much evidence here. The weirdest one is those that say they are "proud to be protestant" which is pretty much an oxymoron. Most people know that pride is considered a sin in the Christian religion, including the protestant flavour. You should be "humble" to be protestant and a hell of a lot more pious. I also don't know why people can't help themselves singing stuff like The Sash and justifying it with their beliefs when they are not Orangemen. Singing that loudly for no reason just makes people sound like they should be in the loony bin - or at best they admire their drag queen father - "It is old and it is beautiful... the sash my father wore". Must be the most "out" sounding song in football - maybe that does deserve some respect... From what I've read and been taught in the Protestant religion in Scotland, is that if Christ was around he would be telling you to love Celtic fans and Catholics and be nice to each other for a change. But then he'd probably be nailed to the nearest tree for it... I think there are a hell of a lot of people who should start reading the bible and learning to live by its teachings with the help of a minister. Maybe then they can actually humbly call themselves a follower of Christ's teachings and that particular interpretation of God that Protestantism represents. Otherwise it's the just the biggest load of shite stirring that should be given total derision and hounded out of football and society.

I've nothing against the queen and toasted her a few times over the weekend, but what the feck is this thread doing in Rangers Chat? Absolutely nothing to do with the club and incredibly cringeworthy in here. We'd slag the other lot off for having a pope thread in their Celtic forum so what the hell are we doing? I smell the stench of hypocrisy and it's coming from us.

You don't surprise me with your attitude but don't know where you get off tarring everyone with your own tight fisted brush. It doesn't take much intelligence to get that you can easily invest £20m out of £92m on Rangers, be incredibly rich for life and be left with a club worth more than you originally put in. All you need to do is get some decent businessmen in to run the club within its means and get the fans on board with share issues that give them a fair fraction of ownership and proportional say in direction the club goes. There's no need to put any more money in, as if the club really needs more all you need to do is like Green, either loan the money or guarantee a bank loan. Unless Rangers suffer another insolvency, you'd get your money back. The whole point of the thread is that with so much money it would be so easy to spend a chunk on Rangers and still do whatever the hell else you like without ever needing worry about money for the rest of your life. Seems some people still wouldn't be able to do it - even hypothetically. Makes you see why RFFF raised a surprisingly small amount in relation to the number of people who purport to support the club.

I do hope so. And back to how we played in the SPL at the start of the season...

The EBT's won't be in the contract as the point was it wasn't contractual.

Quite right - we should have that on here tooo... :fish:

Looks like Arsenal are trying to do us a favour as we helped them by buying their shares a long time ago. However, we are going to look like a Div 2 team and cannon fodder if we can't keep our players.

Can't see the problem - we just need to pay our footballing debts which I'm sure we'd do anyway. I think an analogy here is finding someone guilty for something not that serious but only having the powers of punishment of fine, community service or death penalty. You consider death too harsh and community service to lenient so you give a year in jail. The courts say that as you haven't previously put that down as an option who can't use it, and so what is the reaction? We must give the death penalty! It's so stupid it's hard to believe it's not some cartoon...

Small companies go out of business all the time - leaving debts to other businesses and customers - why should we feel sorry for them? We get shafted all the time by small businesses - usually moreso than big ones which is why we feel a lot more comfortable when we buy something from the likes of John Lewis than the guy in the market stall. I actually do sympathise to a certain extent but I keep getting told this is all about business, and what is happening with Rangers is pretty ordinary and normal in that domain. I was under the impression that business is supposed to forget the emotional side.

I still don't see the need to punish us at all - it just seems like the SFA trying to look like it has some muscles and of course is under pressure from Lawell et al. The cry is "sporting integrity", but if that is the case what sporting advantage did Rangers gain by not paying taxes? Let's see: Administration (which meant renegotiating players' contracts leading to the worst run of results in years as well as a shock early cup exit), a ten point deduction (which ended our plausible title challenge), a ban from Europe and the likelihood of losing our best players for bargain fees. Yeah, all those sporting advantages need to be readdressed, right?

For me it would be a no brainer. I'd be investing at least £20m which leaves £70m odd to invest and a return of only 5% gets you £3.5m a year - and of course you'd get some accountant to organise your tax avoidance... That should be enough to take care of you, your extended family and a few close friends. You don't have to know how to run a club as you hire a CEO and other people to do that for you while you learn enough ropes to be on the board and have meaningful input without having to be an expert or business mogul. You'd probably privately hire a personal accountant and advisor so no-one pulls the wool over your eyes. Winning that much money and so quitting your job and losing a lot of your friends could be boring and lonely. I'd say owning Rangers would a great solution to that. All you need to do is get the fans on board, prop up the capital and dilute your shareholding with a share issue which is FAIR and accessible to the fans, and set forth a plan where the club is run within its means. I'd probably do that while putting another £20m into a charity foundation which spends the interest on good causes while I act as a similar unpaid figurehead. Between the two plus my many, many hobbies, it would be difficult to be bored and have you'd have a hell of a social life - which is always easier when you're the big shot everyone wants to meet. Or you could do a "king of chavs", squander your money in so many years and then end up begging for your old job and wondering where all your friends are...

So is everyone buying a Euromillions ticket? The jackpot is about £92m tomorrow and so any of us winning it could easily bail Rangers out. You could be Rangers' owner by next month... Being on the board will give you something to do part time when you quit your job and give you a whole new circle of friends. You could also sort out all the problems you think the club and team have from a fans' eye point of view. Or, we could all give the RFFF another two quid each - at 250k people that's another half million. Or is it better to have 250k potential lottery winners?

Seems like another case of "Rangers haven't done anything wrong but they need to be punished"...

List of clubs playing in another country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country

Why? It's clearly 100% wrong if not a downright lie. Many clubs are now playing in other countries and have switched with FIFA's blessing. If we went to England we'd actually be playing in our own country unless Scotland votes for independence. I also really doubt UEFA would want the humiliation of another Bosman type ruling. Restricting Rangers from playing in any EC country would be on dangerous ground.

Fuel duty?

Yes. They have changed government policy.

Thanks - it still took me a minute to find! Needs to be more obvious.

They were never going to do it for nothing - well apart from McCulloch and probably Papac and it would not have been easy to leave outside the transfer window without being released. They would also not want the negative press of walking out. They are paid enough to cope with a short term cut. Some will be after their money back, others probably just wanted to keep their options open as they didn't know what kind of Rangers we'll end up with.

How many do we have now? When I signed it was a mere 91 - well I was #91 so I've inferred that. Where do we check the total?

I don't think so: instead of "taking their punishment for wrongdoing", apologising and making good: their first thoughts will be revenge... Actually, where is their apology?

That's what I envisage too. Maybe with some wishful thinking involved...