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I must admit it is interesting news,...........................but,I agree with the where have you been posts!,there has been too many kicks in the balls for this bear to get overly excited,and if it does go through I think CG should not be targeted,at least he has stepped up to the plate when all these guys never,and no I'm not a CG supporter

RANGERS fans should have â??genuine inputâ? into where their club plays its football, now it has been consigned to liquidation, the MP for the Ibrox area has suggested. â?¢ Ian Davidson calls for supportersâ?? opinions to be heard â?¢ Rangers heading for liquidation after HMRC reject CVA â?¢ Labour MP concerned about impact to local economy Ian Davidson spoke out the day after HM Revenue and Customs rejected a company voluntary arrangement deal that could have removed the club from administration, and leaves them heading for liquidation. Mr Davidson, whose Glasgow South West constituency includes Ibrox, said fans should have a say on where the club ends up playing. The Labour MP said that â??what has been happening at Rangers in terms of tax-dodging is completely reprehensibleâ?. HMRC took a decision â??based on what is likely to bring about the best return possible for the taxpayer in generalâ?. He said it was â??important to make sure that Rangers continues in some formâ? and that the fans should have a say in the clubâ??s future. â??We need to make sure that fans, the ordinary people who keep the club going week in, week out with their supporters money, are actually involved in making decisions about the direction in which it goes. â??I think itâ??s important the voice of the fans is heard because the income from the fans is what makes the club either viable or not viable, and they will obviously want to have a view on whether or not voluntarily going down to the third division, striking compromises to stay in the Premier League, or indeed seeking to enter another division, a more prosperous division in England, is the sort of path they want to have followed.â? Mr Davidson said: â??Thatâ??s something the fans ought to have a genuine input into. All of these things have to be discussed by those who have the greatest commitment to the club, and thatâ??s the fans.â? He also voiced concerns about the â??fate of the non-football employees who keep the club runningâ?. Rangers is â??a substantial employer within the areaâ? and the club â??generates a substantial amount of money for local businesses, not only on match days but in other ways as well, in terms of the things they buy locallyâ?. http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-liquidation-fans-should-have-say-on-where-newco-club-plays-mp-1-2351775

FURIOUS fans have ordered their clubs to show no mercy â?? and banish crisis-torn Rangers from the SPL. Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and Dundee United supporters all want them kicked down to the Third Division. And their outspoken opinions have dramatically raised the stakes for SPL top brass ahead of the crucial ballot. Dons fansâ?? chief Greig Ingram said: â??We have already made representation to chairman Stewart Milne about how weâ??d like to see him vote. â??We believe he should vote AGAINST a newco getting into the SPL. â??Financial considerations should not be the first thing here â?? they should not over-ride integrity and fair play. â??We keep hearing how financially important Rangers are to the SPL and that they should be given special consideration because of money. â??But we gave figures to the club and they were scrutinised by the chief executive, who is an accountant, and he did not take issue with them. â??It only takes 300 season ticket holders to wipe out the benefits of having Rangers in the SPL. â??The fans should be consulted by every club. â??If this was any other club than Rangers this debate would not be happening.â? Derek Watson, chairman of the Hearts Supportersâ?? Trust, echoed Ingramâ??s sentiments. He said: â??We believe very much that Rangers should be relegated from the SPL and have to work their way back through the divisions again. â??I donâ??t think the amount of money involved will be massively significant and I think that an SPL without Rangers would bring about more of a challenge at the top. â??Celtic would probably win the league, but the battle for second place â?? and possibly Champions League football â?? would see the crowds come back.â? Dundee United followers have already lobbied chairman Stephen Thompson over the thorny issue. ArabTrust chairman Derek Robertson admitted his groupâ??s attitude towards Gers has been influenced by the way they have handled themselves through the unfolding saga. He said: â??Itâ??s been a classic example of how not to win friends and influence people. â??The whole thing has been handled terribly â?? a PR disaster from start to finish. â??The lack of humility has been astonishing. â??It has certainly made the mood among people very bad. â??The level of sympathy towards Rangers, because of the way they have conducted themselves, is going rapidly. â??Youâ??d be hard pushed to find anyone who thinks a newco should be voted back in. â??A lot of that is down to their attitude â?? and the bully-boy tactics.â? Hibs fan chief Mike Riley agreed last night: â??There is only one course they can take and that is not to allow them back into the league. â??If things are not done right then you donâ??t deserve to be there in the first place. â??There are a lot of clubs who canâ??t afford to lose the money. â??But there again, they face losing money anyway because a lot of fans have said they wonâ??t go back to games if Rangers are involved. I honestly believe the majority of clubs will vote against Rangers. â??The whole thing has been an embarrassment for Scottish football. I can see the fallout from it dragging on for years. â??I think the majority view among the Hibs supporters is that Rangers should be punished. And punished severely. â??They have done wrong and should stand up and take whatever comes their way. â??For them to come back as a newco and go straight back into the SPL would upset a lot of people. â??I know a lot of Hibs fans who would be very unhappy if that was to be the case.â? Gers will need eight votes to stay in the top flight when SPL chairmen meet. Inverness Caley Thistle chairman Kenny Cameron has promised to listen to his fans before casting his vote. He said: â??I would expect the SPL to call a meeting of the clubs very shortly. â??It is never good to see a Scottish club going into liquidation and it is a pity that Rangers have come to such a position. â??We will consider our position and listen to our supporters once the picture becomes clearer.â? Ross County chairman Roy MacGregor added: â??Rangers need an 8-4 majority but I have no idea how the other clubs will vote because so much has happened since I went to the first meeting. â??I will listen to all the arguments for and against admitting a newco to the SPL. â??I am conscious of having to balance fair play with the financial realities of the league. â??Once I know what all the options are then Iâ??ll think about which way to vote. â??I have only been to one SPL meeting and, I have to say, everyone left thinking the CVA would go through. â??But what has happened with HMRC has changed the goalposts dramatically. â??Iâ??m surprised HMRC rejected the offer but they clearly want to make an example of the decisions made at the club. â??It now leaves the SPL with a huge decision to make.â? Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4371930/Rival-fans-want-Light-Blues-dumped-in-Div-3.html#ixzz1xj4I6OBA

BRIAN LAUDRUP is hurting. And he feels like his heart has been ripped out. The Dane has been watching the incredible events and demise of the Ibrox club, whose supporters treated him with such adulation between 1994 and 1998. Laudrup canâ??t believe such a proud institution has been allowed to slip into the abyss. And he has vowed to help in any way he can, even offering his coaching services for free. Laudrup told SunSport: â??Like every Rangers supporter, and I count myself as a supporter, it feels like my heart has been torn to pieces. â??It is devastating and it must be even more devastating for people who have been following this great club for so many years. â??I have been on the internet every day for the last six or seven months to follow what has been going on. â??I have hoped and prayed everything would be all right in the end, but it looks to be a very difficult time right now. â??I spent four fantastic years with Rangers and they will always be in my heart. I said to my wife Iâ??d love to be able to help in any way I could. Iâ??m just not sure how. â??Even if it was to be part of the management team or coaching youth players. If it is possible, Iâ??d like to help out. â??I know that is not going to solve the crisis, but that is the feeling every player and every former player has right now. â??I spoke to Andy Goram who is as devastated as anyone. I can also imagine Richard Gough sitting in San Diego wondering what he can do. â??Maybe we can all lend a hand and provide a small contribution to get Rangers back. â??I donâ??t know whether that is going to happen, but that is my feeling right now. â??But I know Rangers will never die. There will always be a Rangers. â??Yes, these are difficult times and it is difficult to see what will happen, but you canâ??t just take 140 years away from any club. â??Rangers mean so much to so many people, not only in Scotland but throughout the world.â? It has yet to be determined where exactly a newly-formed Rangers will be playing next season. Laudrup insists SPL clubs have to let the new club back into the top flight, otherwise Scottish football will become a laughing stock around the world. He said: â??I hope the other clubs vote for Rangers to stay in the SPL. I can understand fans throughout Scotland will be quite annoyed with that because of the moral issue. â??But if you were to ask anyone around the world what they know about Scottish football they would say the Old Firm. That would be it. â??That is what makes Scottish football these days. You have to be honest and say that. â??I can understand why clubs would feel they could move into a better position. But for Old Firm games not to be part of Scottish football, it would be terrible. â??We just have to wait and see if clubs can see the bigger picture or whether the moral issue is too much to handle and they are against Rangers. â??If Rangers are in the Third Division you are only going to have one team winning the league. Celtic will be guaranteed titles, but I am not sure that is a good thing for Scottish football.â? The future of the Gers players is uncertain and Laudrup admitted it would be hard to criticise any of them if they decided to leave. He said: â??You could maybe forgive a player who was at a late stage in their career and wanted to move on. It will be a difficult decision and it will be a terrible one to make. â??If Rangers started in the Third Division they would have to work through it and come back stronger. â??The problem right now is what will Ally McCoist have to work with? No one knows what will happen to the squad.â? One person Laudrup has the utmost respect for is Gers boss McCoist â?? and he believes the Ibrox legend can steer them back to glory again. Laudrup said: â??I played in the charity match against AC Milan and Coisty got an amazing reception. It told me he is more popular now than he ever was as a player. â??He was still the same old Coisty, having a laugh and he was very optimistic. â??He might not be now though, and I can almost sense the pain he and the supporters must have. â??Maybe we will look back and see it as a point where they came through it. â??The fans are incredible and I hope it all goes well. No matter what happens, Rangers will be back competing at the highest level within the next four or five years.â? Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4371705/I-feel-like-my-heart-has-been-torn-out.html#ixzz1xj2BYVmX

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Tom English IT WAS one thing for Charles Green to torch the Rangers creditors, but quite another to dance as the debt mountain went up in flames. As a hard-nosed Yorkshireman who says what he likes and likes what he says, Greenâ??s recent comments about player recruitment and what life might look like for the club after his (ill-fated) CVA were typically robust, the only problem being that they were also desperately arrogant, whether he realised it or not. There have been some surreal moments throughout this Rangers saga and Green provided another one when he started banging on about Rangersâ?? transfer targets, presumably on the basis that his CVA was going to be ratified and the transfer ban for being in administration duly lifted. It was a confidence that was to prove hopelessly misplaced. Green didnâ??t just talk about signing players, he got the trumpet out and positively blasted out a tune. The club had 19 targets, he said. Of the 19, five are currently performing in the European championship. The message was that Rangers, once they left their debt behind, were in the market for some proper footballers who would, presumably, be earning proper money in this nirvana he was hoping to create. Add to this the flirtation with Rino Gattuso, the meetings with his representative, the publicised phone calls between Gattuso and Ally McCoist, the impression that they were serious about signing the former World Cup winner once they moved heroically out of administration and into the promised land. Gattusoâ??s wage at Ibrox was speculated on in the papers. Maybe the £10,000-£12,000 a week salary wasnâ??t accurate but the important detail is that the number was not disputed by Green or anybody else. Even if they knew they could never afford him, they allowed the impression to be formed that they were genuinely interested. This is a club that already owes more than £50m and might owe closer to £100m (hey presto, the debt will soon vanish) and yet Green carried on talking about his signing targets at the Euros like the CVA was all done bar the ceremonial bonfire of a thousand invoices. Not paying your creditors is one thing â?? it happens in business all the time â?? but rubbing their noses in it is another thing and that is what Green did with his comments earlier in the week. Talking about their future as he saw it, he spoke of £30m sitting in the Rangers bank account by the end of July. In mentioning the supposed riches coming their way, and ignoring what the creditors might have made of his comments, Green was about as subtle as a punch in the face. No doubt, the â??19 targetsâ? line was not intended as an insult and had more to do with trying to reel in the support and make them part with their season ticket money but, whatever the motive, it was objectionable stuff. HMRC would have rejected the CVA proposal regardless of what Green said or didnâ??t say about spending lots of money on new players, but it did nothing to address the question of the clubâ??s remorse. Maybe we have missed it but has there been a public expression of sorrow for the massive non-payment of taxes, among other things, in the Craig Whyte era? Has there been any regret about putting the domestic game into convulsions over David Murray and the did-they or didnâ??t-they saga of the dual contracts which is now the subject of an SPL investigation and which will also be examined by the insolvency experts, BDO? This is where Rangers have made matters worse for themselves. The deflection of blame has been rampant, the gist of the argument being: â??Why should we apologise for the acts of two men?â? Namely, Whyte and Murray. Because the sorry plight of Rangers is down to more than just two men, albeit the actions of Whyte brought on administration and now liquidation. Ironically, for all the talk of the big tax case, it was the more recent defiance of HMRC that brought the club to its knees. BDO plan to investigate the behaviour of many directors at the club. If they havenâ??t already read the crushing report of the SFAâ??s judicial panel into the Whyte affair then theyâ??re surely going through it now. It shows in forensic detail that there were other men at that club who had cases to answer. This study, of course, has been rubbished at Rangers. The panel may have acted wrongly in imposing a transfer embargo, in Lord Glennieâ??s view as opposed to Lord Carlowayâ??s, but both of these distinguished legal minds were in agreement that Rangersâ?? offences were not simply down to Whyte, but were vast transgressions and deserving of heavy sanction, possibly the heaviest sanction, the revoking of their SPL licence. That threat still hangs in the air above newco land even if the debt does not. Green, himself, has not taken long in embracing the culture of the blame game. His reaction to HMRC rejecting his CVA was a textbook case of deflection, a mind-boggling and utterly skewed assessment. Green blamed HMRC for misleading the club, he railed against them for giving the fans false hope of the CVA being accepted and said that HMRC have â??got a lot to answer forâ?. Wouldnâ??t it be nice to live on Planet Charles where everything is somebody elseâ??s fault? Green said he never got any feedback that HMRC might reject the CVA on the grounds of policy. He never saw it coming. â??No. Not at all,â? he said. For months and months the dogs in the street have been barking about HMRC not settling and Green never heard it? On April 20, at the Rangersâ?? Creditors Meeting, HMRC nominated Malcolm Cohen and James Bernard Stephen of BDO as joint liquidators and this move didnâ??t alert Green that liquidation was possibly on the cards? Maybe he heard what he wanted to hear. From the outset, Duff & Phelps â?? and most recently Greenâ??s own people at Deloittes â?? have spoken of their dealings with HMRC. Time after time they have said that HMRC had no intention of shutting the club down or being â??belligerentâ?, as Paul Clark, co-administrator, put it. Letâ??s be clear, Duff & Phelps thought HMRC would cut a deal because a deal meant they would get something and no deal would mean they got nothing. They have been consistent with this line from the beginning. Even when you hit them with HMRCâ??s policy of not agreeing to CVAs, they said they felt pretty confident that they would, reminding the doubting minds that they were â??in dialogue constantly with HMRCâ?. Duff & Phelps got it monumentally wrong. It will be intriguing to see what BDO make of the way they have performed when they get stuck into their forensic analysis of this labyrinthine shambles. This is part of why HMRC turned down the CVA, you fancy. They wanted to go after Whyte. After he gave them the runaround and almost laughed in their face with his non-compliance they now want an opportunity to examine what he has done at Rangers and see if they can nail him for it. And Green? Well, his shock and amazement is unconvincing, his apparent unawareness that HMRC might revert to policy on the CVA front is positively Smudgeresque. When he was talking about his myriad transfer targets a few days back he also said he understood if people had reservations about him, which is good, because they do and in rising numbers. There are doubts about the financial wherewithal of his consortium and, now that BDO are on-board, doubts about him successfully executing the (bargain) purchase of the clubâ??s assets without challenge. Green is now looking to transfer all player contracts over to the newco, a lovely piece of business for him if he can pull it off and then perhaps sell some of these guys for a million or two, instantly recovering the £5.5m investment with profit on top should the fire-sale occur. And it might. If the newco is rejected by the SPL then these players are not going to hang around. Even the very threat of SPL rejection might be enough to drive them into the arms of other clubs. They have already made a big sacrifice in Rangersâ?? name. They did their bit when taking massive pay cuts. Nobody could fault them if they wanted to walk away now. Of course, the playersâ?? union completely, and convincingly, dispute Greenâ??s interpretation of the contracts and argue that there is no obligation on them to move to the newco. The union says the players can leave for nothing and so another spat is breaking out at a club that a few days ago was talking fancifully about signing players from the European championship and is now threatening to treat the ones they have as footballing hostages. Today, Rangers will be liquidated. You would say that their ultimate nightmare is now upon them, but this story has shown all along that it has hidden depths. Just when you think they could not fall any further the trapdoor opens and down they go again. The only certainty in all of this is that the uncertainty will continue for a while yet.

You know,throughout this whole sorry mess it can be seen quite clearly how little the SFA/SPL have shown any sympathy towards their biggest,most successful club,in any other league in the world the governing body would be shocked and do their best to assist in any way possible.It seems to me that they are actually enjoying what is happening,I don't think I've even read/heard any of them say anything other than trying to kill off the Rangers,shame on them.

The Scottish Football Association on Wednesday night asked for Fifa to rule on the status of Rangersâ?? players if the team continues their existence within a newly formed company, as proposed by the consortium fronted by Charles Green, the former Sheffield United chief executive, whose scheme to bring the club out of administration was vetoed by HMRC on Monday. The SFA intervened as a dispute intensified between, on the one hand, Green and the Ibrox administrators and, on the other, PFA Scotland, whose chief executive, Fraser Wishart last night warned that Rangers players were increasingly frustrated at a lack of information over their futures. Wishart rejected Greenâ??s claim that players would be in â??breach of contractâ? if they chose to leave Ibrox amid a change of corporate structure. Green wants to proceed with a £5.5 million deal to buy the clubâ??s assets and form a new outfit which would have to apply for membership of the Scottish Premier League and be excluded from Europe for three years. An SFA spokesman told The Daily Telegraph: â??At close of play today the SFA sent a letter to Fifa seeking urgent clarification of their interpretation of playersâ?? registrations in the event of a club going into liquidation.â? Paul Clark, one of the Ibrox administrators, said that their lawyers had been in talks with their PFA counterparts and had different interpretations of the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) (TUPE) regulations. Wishart last night raised the prospect of legal action should any player be prevented from leaving Ibrox unhindered by the football authorities. Wishart said: â??Should the players wish to transfer across to the â??newcoâ??, TUPE ensures that they do so on their existing contractual terms. â??Equally TUPE affords every employee the statutory right to object to the transfer; employers cannot select which parts of TUPE they wish to apply. â??If a player objects to being transferred his contract of employment would immediately end leaving him with no contract, no dismissal and no right to compensation from either â??oldcoâ?? or â??newcoâ??. Both the club and the player are then free from their contractual obligations.â? One possibility is that any player exercising the right to leave could be subject to a test case involving Fifa and the Court of Arbitration for Sport given that they will still be registered to Rangers with the SPL. But Wishart said: â??The European Court of Justice ruling in the case of Bosman is authority for the view that professional footballers are workers like anyone else and are entitled to exercise their right to freedom of movement when out of contract. â??Our legal team considers that legal remedies are open to a player in the event of registration being withheld, including the right to petition the Court of Session for a fast track Judicial Review Hearing. â??It may well be the case that all of the players wish to transfer across to the newco and, if so, then PFA Scotland will ensure that their rights are protected. â??The players however are becoming increasingly unhappy at having to operate in an information vacuum whilst their futures are portrayed by others as being a fait accompli. The players are being asked to decide upon their future with so many uncertainties involved. â??Which division the new club actually play in? Will there be any sporting sanctions against the club? Will the club be eligible to play in the Scottish Cup? Will there be a registration embargo? â??One or more of these factors may have an influence on a professional footballerâ??s career â?? a career that is relatively short-lived. â??TUPE also places a legal obligation on both the existing company and the newco to formally consult with the union and its members over a proposed transfer. â??Accordingly, PFA Scotland now looks forward to hearing from Mr Green.â? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...o-players.html

Aye,but we have the BHEASTS to deal with,I mean they were fined for their fuck Uefa banner:tongue:

I think I'd rather go into the 3rd division than play in the SPL crippled with sanctions making us unable to compete,tbh,but I understand what you're saying

What all the other clubs want is us severely sanctioned,crippled,but keeps us as their cash cow.

Nobody can blame any of the players if they walked,they have all stood by the club this season and I wish every one of them all the best and thanks for your efforts,you will all be remembered.

We will not lose our history,I can't believe any intelligent reporter can say such a thing,of course the BHEASTS are the only ones who want the history to disappear the same way they want the history of a certain person who raped the young boys to disappear. As for bringing the game into disrepute well the BHEASTS have done that consistently during their history and since TLB has been in charge we have seen their bile spew over board more than ever,their fans fighting with stewards at Tynecastle,to a ref being sacked along with Dallas,they caused a referees strike....................................

Agreed.What is the point being in the SPL if we are handicapped so severely we cannot challenge for the title?,the only reason we would be in the SPL is to fill the pockets of the clubs that want us hung drawn and quartered,so starting in the 3rd division is a better option for me.

Thanks for the intelligent posts,now fuck off and don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

CHARLES GREEN last night bitterly slammed HMRC as Rangers were condemned to their worst nightmare â?? liquidation But after the taxmanâ??s shuddering verdict it now becomes a depressing formality â?? Rangers WILL now have to go down the dreaded newco route. And a livid Green â?? still determined to push through his controversial takeover â?? believes HMRC have WASTED plenty of his time and money. He also blasted them for shattering the hopes of the supporters who have had to endure one gut-wrenching blow after another. The straight-talking Yorkshireman revealed that if the tax authority had bothered to tell him their intentions back in February he would have instantly planned to wind-up the Rangers we know to start afresh next season. Every question posed to the brassed-off Green provoked sharp answers: What is your reaction to HMRC blocking the CVA? â??To read in Paul Clarkâ??s statement today that HMRC are saying this is a policy decision: is it a policy from HMRC that came out this morning? If this has always been their policy why didnâ??t they tell us this in February and March and save a lot of money and a lot of time? â??There are a lot of Rangers fans who have had their hopes built up for nothing.â? Are you saying you didnâ??t see this coming today? â??Not at all. â??If we had known in March that this was HMRCâ??s policy then the minute that Bill Miller withdrew and we became the preferred bidder we would have just gone down the newco. â??I have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on fees for professionals for a deal that could never happen.â? You are now being seen as the guy who took Rangers into liquidation, or who didnâ??t do enough to keep them out of it. How does that make you feel? â??Neither of those things are fair. â??I can only be responsible for the things that I have control over.â? Itâ??s impossible to downplay the significance of today for Rangers, isnâ??t it? â??I said last week that I thought next Thursday was the most important day in Rangersâ?? history.â? But you havenâ??t even made it to Thursday, have you? â??No. Could HMRC change their mind again at the CVA meeting on Thursday? I would urge everyone to lobby to see if we can get this ridiculous decision overturned.â? How do you view the HMRC statement when it talks about them pursuing previous owners? â??If pursuing previous owners by this mechanism destroys a lot of the hopes and aspirations of the fans, the club and the people associated with it, then my answer would be: Pursue them through the courts in a different manner. NOT force this on them.â? Are you certain that you have a binding agreement for an asset sale? â??We said consistently throughout that even in the event of the CVA being rejected the contract would automatically default into an asset purchase. â??Nothing has changed as far as we are concerned.â? So can other parties still come in and challenge you for the club? â??Everyone had the chance to bid for this company from February 14 until May 13th, when I was given exclusivity, whether it was the Blue Knights, Bill Miller, Uncle Tom Cobley or a host of other people who had approached the administrator. â??And NO ONE had either put a credible deal on the table, signed a cheque, or could complete.â? What does a European ban do for your plans? â??Letâ??s not gloss over things. At the moment, if the CVA does fail on Thursday, then we are not even in the SPL. â??Forget about playing in Europe â?? we might not even be playing in GLASGOW!â? How quickly do you now start the moves to get into the SFA and SPL? â??I have spoken to the SPL and the SFA today and meetings have been set up, so those talks are ongoing.â? Do you accept the punishment for past misdemeanours and drop down to the Third Division, or press on to stay in the SPL? â??If you take it to the nth degree then you would need approval to get into Division Three and there wouldnâ??t even be a guarantee of that. â??I believe that whatâ??s important for not only Rangers but Scottish football is that we start putting all these issues behind us and move forward.â? Will you now lobby the other SPL clubs ahead of the newco vote? â??The SPL is a small club of 12 members. â??The reality is that we are all dependent on each other â?? and Rangers are an integral part of that group.â? In the event of liquidation can all of your players leave on a free due to TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings, Protection of Employment)? â??A newco will have TUPE regulations and we would expect that all of the employees, including the players, would then transfer into newco.â? But can you be sure of that? â??No. You certainly canâ??t be sure of that. â??While under the TUPE regulations we are obliged to take up on all of the contracts, obviously someone may decide that they donâ??t want to be part of the newco. â??But, at that point, they would be in breach of contract.â? Have you spoken to Ally McCoist? â??Ally has been with us since about 7.30 this morning after coming back from his holiday in Portugal. He attended the staff meeting and he has been with me in meetings with the lawyers today.â? Does it hurt that you are being seen as the villain? â??If I wasnâ??t here there would be no one buying this football club. All the bidders disappeared. â??Itâ??s a sad day for the club, for the fans. HMRC have got a lot to answer for.â? Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4369608/Taxmans-wasted-my-time-and-money.html#ixzz1xcwBRQuJ

I LIVED two dreams the day I joined Rangers. Yesterdayâ??s decision by HMRC not to accept the CVA offer, forcing the club into liquidation, was a desperately sad one for me and everyone else connected with the club. I see it from a supporterâ??s point of view, an employeeâ??s point of view and as a professional footballer who is ambitious. Thereâ??s disbelief. Thereâ??s anger. Thereâ??s a lot of emotion that the club youâ??ve grown up watching and one that has a 140-year history is effectively going to change forever. There are still decisions to be made, but there are already some definite consequences of yesterdayâ??s announcement. Three or four years without European football is massive from the playersâ?? point of view. Normally thatâ??s one of the highlights of your season. You go into games competing against the best players and teams in the world. You travel around Europe and see the whole experience. Itâ??s a massive blow that it wonâ??t be there for the next three or four years. Yet another one to add to the list. Donâ??t get me wrong, Iâ??m open-minded about my future because there are still questions that need answering. Partly because we as players still donâ??t know what our rights are. Thereâ??s not a lot of clarity on what can happen and what will happen. I know PFA Scotland have tried their best to clear things up, but thereâ??s been no real answer given out by the likes of the SFA, FIFA and so on. Itâ??s not as straightforward as just every player transferring across to a newco. Youâ??re moving to a new company which is effectively a transfer. As a player thereâ??s an option under employment law which allows you not to transfer â?? as you canâ??t force anybody to work for a new company if they donâ??t want to. But the grey area is who then holds your registration if you donâ??t. The administrators have said the club would still hold it, but the authorities donâ??t seem to have a definite answer. The SFA need to make it clear if a player doesnâ??t want to move across is he then free to play where he wants? But no one will come out and say what the situation is. The authorities need to tell us the score. They run the show. Surely they have a responsibility to the players as well as the clubs? Itâ??s vital that we get concrete guidance because itâ??s now about peopleâ??s livelihoods. We need to know what decisions can be made and what the options are. Anyone working for a company that goes bust would want to know what their options are and weâ??re no different. I never ever wanted it to be this way. Iâ??ve enjoyed my football at Rangers and the last three years have definitely been the best of my whole career. Iâ??ve pushed on at international level too and Iâ??ve had some of the greatest memories of my life. Thatâ??s exactly why Iâ??m open-minded, from a professional point of view as well as a fan. Weâ??ll wait and see what the options are and take it from there. One thing thatâ??s certain is this decision has taken the new companyâ??s fate out of its own hands. Itâ??s now down to the other clubs and their boards to determine what Rangersâ?? situation is for the foreseeable future. Their decision could effectively change Scottish football as we know it. Whatever happens from now on, Iâ??m immensely proud to have been part of the squad that took pay cuts to give the club every chance to come out of administration. It would have been a lot easier for us to stand our ground and say we wanted the contracts we signed in good faith to be honoured. But we showed we had feelings for the club. We wanted the best for the employees and everyone else associated with the club. In the end it was all in vain now that weâ??ve reached the conclusion we always feared yet never wanted. But Iâ??m sure those feelings of togetherness that we showed in taking the pay cuts will influence some playersâ?? decisions too. I can understand people fearing that the club could disappear into oblivion. But thereâ??s still a crowd there that will always follow the name of Rangers and that will always provide the club with opportunities. If the worst came to the worst, if the club ended up losing a lot of players and was sent down to the Third Division, theyâ??d still be there, no matter what. As a lifelong fan myself, I certainly know Iâ??ll always be cheering for the blue jersey of Rangers. Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4369780/This-is-the-day-every-Rangers-fan-has-been-dreading-all-I-feel-is-anger-and-disbelief.html#ixzz1xcszocZR

Lifted from FF So says Martin Williams of the Scotsman on twitter. RAPID VIENNA will be represented at Thursdayâ??s meeting at Ibrox to determine the outcome of Charles Greenâ??s CVA proposal â?? and the Austrians will vote against it. The club is owed £1,011,763.44 by Rangers from the £4million transfer of Croatia striker Nikica Jelavic in August 2010. Greenâ??s offer means Rapid would instead receive a maximum of just over £91,000 â?? even though Rangers will recoup all £5.5m from the sale of Jelavic to Everton in January. Rapid could also end up with a lot less because creditors have been told the amount they receive will depend on the outcome of the big tax case and £25m lawsuit against lawyers Collyer Bristow. It could take years for these to be settled and, if results go against Ally McCoistâ??s Rangers, Rapid could end up with just £10,000 of the cash due to them â?? which is why they insist theyâ??ll take their case against the Ibrox club to UEFA and FIFA. We expect others to do the same and, if need be, weâ??ll go to UEFA and FIFA to help us in this case Rapid PR man Peter Klinglmuller â??We have a contract with a British law company and they will be at Thursdayâ??s meeting taking care of the business on our behalf,â? said Rapid PR man Peter Klinglmuller. â??Itâ??s important that we receive the full amount due for Jelavic and not just a percentage of the fee. â??When you do business with a big European club then you expect to be paid the full amount. â??In a Jelavic interview in an Austrian newspaper the other day he said that he expected to get more money from Rangers than our club would. â??It seems unfair that we might not receive what we are owed when Rangers expect Everton to pay the fee they agreed for him. â??I donâ??t know how it works in Scotland but weâ??re used to paying fees in full. â??We expect others to do the same and, if need be, weâ??ll go to UEFA and FIFA to help us in this case.â?

OOPS!,behind the times again,I see this is already posted in another thread,admin please delete.

HERE is the gospel according to proven liar Charles Green. Bamboozle them with bullshit! Confuse them with crap! And fair play to him. Charles Greenâ??s bullshit has got Rangers supporters well and truly bamboozled. Charles Greenâ??s crap has got Rangers fans well and truly confused. Or at least his bullshit and crap has got some Rangers fans â?? Assembly leader Andy Kerr among them â?? bamboozled and confused. Others, however, are far from bamboozled. They are the ones who are a long way from being confused and who can see just what a snake oil salesman Charles Green really is. For instance, in the last three days Charles Green has told daily newspaper reporters that if his CVA is successful he will then bring in some big time money men who will invest anything between £20m and £30M in Rangers. Before then going on to tell Sunday newspaper reporters that if his CVA is successful he will launch a share issue and ask Rangers supporters to invest £30M. Actually, when it comes to how full he wants his begging bowl filled by Rangers supporters in the next six weeks, the bottom line is close to a staggering £50M. Thatâ??s right, nearly £50M! That is what Charles Green needs from Rangers supporters in the next six weeks to make his get-rich-quick scheme work . Work it out if you do not believe me. And I know there are more than a few out there who donâ??t. The season ticket money comes to £16M and the deadline for renewal is July 2nd. Charles Green wants a share issue to be rushed through by the end of July, according to what he has been quoted as saying and that will, he believes, coin in another £30M. That is a total of £46M, which isnâ??t a kick in the backside away from the eye watering figure of £50m and it is what Charles Green is demanding from Rangers supporters over the next six weeks. The trouble with Charles Green is that he is a liar. A proven liar. And the trouble with liars is that they cannot remember the lies they have told. Therefore they often tell subsequent lies which contradict their original lies. Lies such as the one Charles Green told originally when he said he had 20 investors. Lies such as the one Charles Green told when he said he had £20M available. Lies such as the one Charles Green told when he said that if Rangers got a CVA they would emerge from administration debt free. Of course Charles Green is not the only one telling lies in the rush for his dodgy scheme to be bulldozed through. Some Rangers supporters have joined in. One even went so far as claiming there was no truth in my story that self confessed unreconstructed Celtic supporter, David Low, had been involved with Charles Green. That lie was peddled in spite of the overwhelming evidence to back my story. Evidence in the shape of David Low admitting that it was correct and that he had acted as a go-between for Charles Green in Greenâ??s desperate efforts to raise money. I know what Charles Greenâ??s motives for lying are. He wants to rip off Rangers and make a fast buck. But, for the life of me, I cannot imagine what motivation lurks behind the lies being peddled by some Rangers supporters. For I refuse to believe they are working hand in glove with Charles Green on the basis of some sort of reward Green may have promised. That is too preposterous, too potty, to be believed. Isnâ??t it? But let me predict what is going to happen in the next 72 hours as the countdown begins to Thursdayâ??s meeting when creditors will get the chance to vote on Charles Greenâ??s CVA proposals. Charles Green will make even more and more outrageous and contradictory promises. Charles Green will tell bigger and bigger lies. And some Rangers supporters will continue to be bamboozled by his bullshit and confused by his crap. Others will not. â?¦â?¦. ANDâ?¦â?¦.. IT is too early to tell too much about how the European Championships will pan out. But one thing is already crystal clear. If you want to beat the Czech Republic, it is best to play a forward against then. Something, which almost two years on from his infamous and catastrophic 4-6-0 Scotland formation was defeated in Prague, manager, Craig Levein, still refuses to acknowledge. The latest humbling of Leveinâ??s side â?? 5-1 by America â?? has led to outrage on the Tartan Army message boards. But here is a wee tip for those angry foot soldiers. You are wasting your time. The Tartan Army will be ignored. For as long as Stewart Regan remains as chief executive of the Scottish Football Association and effectively Leveinâ??s boss, Craig Leveinâ??s job is safe. No matter how much matters go from bad to worse for the national team. Which is how 80 per cent of those who voted in a recent poll believe things will go when the qualifying campaign for the 2014 World Cup gets under way in a matter of weeks. That was the astonishing percentage of those who voted who said that they didnâ??t think Craig Leveinâ??s Scotland would qualify.

Karl McGurk ‏@MrMcGurk12 Hope jelavic dies on the pitch the hun bastard Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

And I see he is getting some terrible sectarian abuse on twitter for his effort tonight

CHARLES Green has told Rangers fans they will be able to SACK him if they don’t like the way he runs their club. The Yorkshireman will take control at Ibrox this week if his CVA proposal is accepted by creditors on Thursday. And even if that is rejected Green and his consortium will still come to power by forming a newco. Gers fans are extremely wary of his motives for buying the Ibrox outfit and Green totally understands why they are so sceptical. But he insists the club would have shut down by now had he not intervened last month with an £8.3million rescue package. And Green insists the supporters are welcome to boot him out if they aren’t happy with the new regime. He said: “If the fans don’t want us there they can buy the shares and kick us out. “I will have a contract. If you don’t like me then sack me. “That could never have happened before but I have done it this way so that’s exactly what can happen. The club will be listed on the stock market and if the fans want to take over that club they can. “If the CVA fails this week it goes immediately to a newco type structure. You are buying the assets and property. “Let’s assume the CVA is approved – any money that comes in during the cooling-off period that follows is all ring-fenced. “That’s why this myth that we are using season-ticket holders’ money to buy the club is spurious. There’s no season ticket-money required to do the deal. “The deal is completed on Thursday when we will not have received a penny from season tickets – and if the CVA doesn’t get approved I am £3m better off. “By the end of the cooling off period we will have then raised another £30m, that’s two years’ season-ticket sales. Rangers have never had that much cash in the bank. “But I understand why people are nervous and distrusting and I think that’s healthy. The other claim is that the money (£8.3m) is going in as loan and therefore you are going to take the money back out afterwards. “The reason it is a loan is because I never wanted the 26,000 existing shareholders diluted and destroyed. “Fans see this ‘loan’ and think it is something sinister but it is exactly the opposite. “Listen, make no mistake, the club without us would have closed. I am here to do a job and I want to raise as much money for Rangers as I can. “I don’t care where that cash comes from as long as it is legally obtained.”

Mon the Jelavic,hammer these chunts tonight

Rangers could attempt to sign new players before the club is officially out of administration. Charles Green is aiming to have a Company Voluntary Arrangement approved on Thursday, after which there is a 28-day cooling-off period. But SPL rules state that, with board approval, clubs in administration may replace players whose contracts expire. "If you are correct, that is an avenue open to the club," Green told BBC Scotland on Sunday. Rule 6.20 of the Scottish Premier League's regulations makes provision for signings being made in special circumstances by clubs who have suffered an insolvency event. While there is no guarantee the SPL board would approve any signings, with several players' contracts expiring, that could allow Rangers to use the rule to bring replacements in. If the CVA is approved, which is still the subject of dubiety, the cooling-off period would take Rangers to mid-July. The club had been banned from signing players for 12 months by a Scottish Football Association-appointed Judicial Panel, a decision upheld by an Appellate Tribunal but subsequently set aside by the Court of Session. The Appellate Tribunal must now decide what punishment to administer. Continue reading the main story “I've said all along, stadium-naming is an emotive issue, but whatever we do it would always be Ibrox Stadium. ” Charles Green In the meantime, Green has confirmed he had told a supporters' meeting on Wednesday that he has a list of 19 target players drawn up, five of whom are involved at Euro 2012. And he says he has added £1.5m to the budget Ally McCoist and the administrators Duff & Phelps had been working to for next season. Green had also been examining the possibility, if Thursday's creditors' vote goes in favour of a CVA, of setting aside the 28-day cooling-off period, to allow a swifter exit from administration. But lawyers have advised that even if the two main creditors - HMRC and Ticketus - had been willing to agree to that, it would not be possible because other creditors had to be allowed the right to raise objections in that period and only a judge can bring the period of administration to an end. Of the money raised so far (£5.5m is lodged with the lawyers Taylor Wessing, as confirmed by Simon Shipperley of Duff and Phelps at the fans' meeting), £2m has come from Singaporean investors, £2m from another major investor, with the remainder split. Having closed the initial round of funding with £10m raised, Green says he will entertain a second round of investment with a maximum of £4m per investor. Green also referred to a £10m stadium-naming deal with "an airline investor or alternative". "I've been speaking to a number of people, some of whom are connected to our investors, some not," he added. "I've said all along, stadium-naming is an emotive issue, but whatever we do it would always be Ibrox Stadium."