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Well it would be the cheaper option. But then that was the point first time around.

Champions League games are glamour games. Neds turn up and snap up these tickets whilst many real fans, in the recession, cant afford to as they spent their money on season tickets, replica jerseys and other spends. I don't really understand the relevance of the rest of the post.

Bring back PLG. A translator. A man who knows what it is to be a Ranger. Someone to identify centrebacks who can head a ball, win tackles and not be bullied in Scotland. Someone to show him how to beat St Johnstone. A chiropractor to reconstruct his backbone. A chairman strong enough to tell him to get off the drugs when he wants to spend �£2mil on a Sebo. An advisor to tell him to watch Scottish football instead of undertaking endurance contests in deserts. Buy him a copy of "how to win friends and influence people" so he can actually talk to his players. Along with PLG we only need to hire about 40 other people and we'd have an effective mangement team.

Ignoring the two big shocker of tonight and Kaunas I think you make a good argument.

We played well under PLG in the first game against Motherwell (I think) and that was it. Once in a while under Eck, I give you. Gisa, regars your comment on the manager. Perhaps you're right. The point of this post was really to commend the real fans who paid their money, sat and watched that crap, cheered their team in the vague hope oif turning it around and wont fuck off once the glamour games are done.

As I said Bluedell, largely motivated by reading FF. So posters on here may think i'm being unfair. The man gets idolised for very little.

Get healy up front to partner Lafferty?

Perhaps they were hurting but they see that booing players low on self confidence will not improve performance. Interesting choice as even in spite of the recent shit we are still in better shape than under PLG and Eck last year yet he kept it through that.

Fair point. Though the OP accepted this wasn't the most pressing concern. I just makes posts/threads about things that occur to me.

True. Though by the same token once he has done 1/100th of what Boyd, Novo and dare I say it even Miller have in a Rangers shirt, start revering him like some angel descended from heaven. A man glorified for very little.

Having more money and time on your hands doesn't make you more of a fan either. Or does boing when the team need supporting make you more of a fan?

I agree we wont go to the EPL, I was just disagreeing with the reasons why. Unless i'm more drunk than I realise and I did in fact start this debate.

I take your point overall alex. That said, Mendes and Lafferty were up for sale when we bought them for �£3mil+ each and no EPL team bought them.

Fair enough. I tried to make the point that it's not about accepting mediocrity, nor "shaking your fist at adversity". But the people that really make the Rangers great are not those who stream for the exit when we're getting beat. Not those who stump up the money for the "glamour" games. Not those who only revel in success but distance themselves in defeat. The people who will help to continue to make Rangers great are in fact people like yourself. People like Cammy. People like UCB. People who are so consumed in the betterment of Rangers that they spend their time on internet forums, attending meetings and writing to supporters groups to do their part in driving Rangers forward. Whether some of these effort are futile or not is not the point. It is the fact that we have these fans making these efforts. Who do you think these fans are? The ones who turn up drunk on a couple of Wednesday nights and boo if we get beat. Or the one's who attend when they can (afford it) and who do not turn their backs on the club because of a bad result or performance no matter how much it disgusts them.

Liverpool lost after bein ahead at Anfield? Good Good.

Lol. Surely it's easy to leave Lafferty out on current form too? Equally as bad (if not worse) against St Johnstone, but without the goal. I think watching Lafferty you see he could be good. But, putting that to one side, look at what he actually does in a game, and it's not much at all. Like Davis though he's an Ulster Rangers fan so he doesn't need to play well to get rave reviews. That's a point actually. For all those who run Boyd down because some of his goals are penalties, ask Davis how easy it is too hit a pressure penalty like the one tonight. Or ask Boyd how hard it is too hit an injury time pressure penalty against Hearts at Tynecastle?

Fair point I guess. But you know what I mean. Do you think great business minds and captain's of industry (no, not David Murray ) will make a knee-jerk reaction on that based on bad results? they don't care about individual results or a bad run, they care about money making potential. And for the EPL and Sky, the money making potential of Rangers is enormous.

Why not mate? Pm?

I think it's Ian, or one of the regulars anyway, would point out they have already made this arguement this season. Though maybe Cammy and Pete are right and Edu is what we miss?

Fortunately those that run the SPL (Rupert Murdoch? :devil:) are not so short-sighted to base huge decisions on one bad result. Though no doubt this idea will gain a lot of mileage in the red-tops. In any case, currently, Craig is right.

I'll join in all the Walter, Rangers, McCulloch bashing threads throughout the week, but going to make another point that will be lost as we discuss the big issues. Late on in the game I could clearly hear a chorus of "We love you Rangers we do". These are the people who make me proud to be a Rangers fan. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate accepting mediocrity. What I am saying is that real fans are the one's who are there through the good and the bad (again no attack on fans who could not afford to go today, I was not able to attend the game). No football club has a right to win. Just because we are fans of the Rangers and are used to winning and probably think we have a right to win, does not make it the case. Yes many in that team are not worthy of the wonderful support that many of us give (many of you more so than me at the minute ). But when some of these charlatans have left the club, we will still be there, through thick and thin. One of the lines in one of my favourite Rangers songs goes "and at the end of the day win or lose we all follow on". It is the fans that make this club great. Not the euro neds, not the glory supporters. But the guys who really hurt after nights like tonight. Not guys who hurt because their ned pal supports Celtic, Hibs or Aberdeen, but the guys who just hurt because Rangers got humiliated in Europe. The guys who never want to see that again and will turn up to the next game and sing their heart out to cheer their team on to victory. Fuck the other teams fans. Fuck the SPL. Yes it was a terrible result for Scottish football, more importantly for Rangers. We will come through this though and we will emerge a stronger club because of our great fans.

Ha ha. Both. One is a very poor forward who is treated like he's the second coming. One is a very poor forward who scores goals like his life and the life of his wife and kids depends upon it and is treated like he raped one of your family members. Add in what each of them cost Rangers and therefore how much of your money as a dedicated fan pays his wages and explain to me why I seem to have an opinion that almost no one agrees with? I'm a reasonably intelligent man, but on this discussion I appear to be the dumbest man in the world (or on Gersnet at least). (No quoting that last bit you bastards )

I threw a line back in Craig's face before that the manager lives and dies by his results (or similar), so no doubt people could do that to me here. But answer his paragraph there. That line sums up Rangers atm and I don't see how our 2nd most succesful manager ever takes the lion's share of the blame. I don't need motivating to play 5's on a Monday, motivation to hit the gym, or motivation to win a game of fucking tiddlywinks, why would a professional fucking athlete need to be told how to go out with a competitive fucking attitude?

I fully understand your frustration. The Seville game we could brush off as one of those things. Getting beat, but the game was not a 4-1 loss. Taking tonight in isolation. 3 deflected own goals. How do you blame the manager for that? I dunno. But take the games together and even I admit the arguement is weak. Regards the point on wasting money. �£4mil on Lafferty? �£2mil on Miller (who has been a reasonable signing in all honesty) when we already have an identi-kit player? Hard to argue that point. Fucking shambles. Smith will more than likely win us the league this year. Tonights match/result is a disgrace in it's own right. Coming right after Seville. Bollocks. The big name players who get an easy ride; Davis, Lafferty (notice a link here?) Mendes, Miller (apart from me and MF :devil:). Get your fucking finger out.

Our worst signing since Sebo? Based mostly on the fee. Don't get me wrong. He has some characteristics that suggest he will develop into a reasonable striker at SPL level. But right now, what he offers is mostly fuck all. Yet to read FF, particularly while we awaited his return from injury, he was the messiah. He was going to carry us to the title, take Miller's role as the lone striker, replicate Boyd's scoring feat and become the all round forward. I just don't see it. Atm, he is fourth best striker at the club. At best.