Some more Ellis information:

[Guest Northampton_loyalist]

I'll firmly root myself in the skeptics camp, and while I hve no reason to doubt N_L, I have no reason to believe him either.

 

I think my biggest aspect of dubiety is how he remembered so much of a phone call of substantial length to post it.

 

But it doesn't really matter if his post is true or not, just as long as this Ellis character's intentions are benevolent and if he does take us over, he progresses us and gets rid of that damn debt.

 

We're imperious on the pitch, time to translate that off it too.

 

 

Good afternoon.

 

Firstly, this is not a defence, Im not in any way pissed off at your post and dont want you to take it that way

 

I phoned him up specifically to try and get the info I got (and more, but i was too nervous and tongue-tied tbh) so i had made a couple of wee notes before calling and made brief notes as the conversation went on. In the end the notes I made pre-call were pretty much redundant, he told me that he could not talk about 'anything in Scotland' and then proceeded to volunteer information on QPR and the cobblers, the cobblers stuff I was pretty much aware of anyway (check out my name here ).

 

In reality I dont think he said anything more or anything different to that which he would have told a reporter, so in many respects it was a kind of fruitless excercise. In other ways, though, it was quite valuable.

 

I consider myself a run of the mill, average fan, and as such I think I share most or all of the concerns the average fan holds. I admit it could have been a little touch of 'star-struck' but he came across as very genuine and while him taking a few minutes to talk could have been him trying to head off a fan writing a hatchet job, it could (i think it was) him taking a little time to answer a fan who had concerns. Again, though, none of that makes what he said 'true' and i can only say that the impression I got was favourable. not favourable enough for me to set up a fan club and prepare the bunting, but enough for me to be more than happy to wait and see what else he has to say when and if he can. I had a quiet optimism regarding the man, that has grown slightly but the sceptical part of me is more than aware that far more needs to be said and done.

[Danny 0]

maybe he really listened to the guy and took notes or has a good memory, some people do you know

 

why would someone make that up

 

Attention?

 

I just don't take what I read on forums at face value, likewise the printed or broadcast media.

[Danny 0]

Good afternoon.

 

Firstly, this is not a defence, Im not in any way pissed off at your post and dont want you to take it that way

 

I phoned him up specifically to try and get the info I got (and more, but i was too nervous and tongue-tied tbh) so i had made a couple of wee notes before calling and made brief notes as the conversation went on. In the end the notes I made pre-call were pretty much redundant, he told me that he could not talk about 'anything in Scotland' and then proceeded to volunteer information on QPR and the cobblers, the cobblers stuff I was pretty much aware of anyway (check out my name here ).

 

In reality I dont think he said anything more or anything different to that which he would have told a reporter, so in many respects it was a kind of fruitless excercise. In other ways, though, it was quite valuable.

 

I consider myself a run of the mill, average fan, and as such I think I share most or all of the concerns the average fan holds. I admit it could have been a little touch of 'star-struck' but he came across as very genuine and while him taking a few minutes to talk could have been him trying to head off a fan writing a hatchet job, it could (i think it was) him taking a little time to answer a fan who had concerns. Again, though, none of that makes what he said 'true' and i can only say that the impression I got was favourable. not favourable enough for me to set up a fan club and prepare the bunting, but enough for me to be more than happy to wait and see what else he has to say when and if he can. I had a quiet optimism regarding the man, that has grown slightly but the sceptical part of me is more than aware that far more needs to be said and done.

 

Appreciate the reply.

 

I have no reason to doubt or similarly believe you - I tend to only believe things when the hard evidence of them is laid out in front of my nose and I can practically smell it.

 

You can blame Boumsong, Cuellar and from my other side, Shevchenko for that.

 

So I take nothing seriously until it's signed, sealed and delivered.

 

I also knew you weren't taking my post as an attack on your person, it's my philosophy in general

[ian1964 10,486]

Would-be Rangers owner Andrew Ellis will land the keys to an Ibrox property blueprint if he completes his takeover.

 

Sportsmail can reveal the club have again been in talks with Glasgow City Council about an ambitious 'makeover' for the land around the stadium on the city's south side.

And the man who eventually snaps up Sir David Murray's 90-per-cent shareholding in Rangers will effectively inherit a slice of the joint blueprint.

 

English property developer Ellis is currently scouring the Ibrox books as he conducts a due diligence process before deciding whether to make a formal �£33million offer for Murray's stake and the debt with the Lloyds Banking Group.

 

Now it has emerged that there is potential for development around the football ground to feature housing, a hotel, shopping and a car park on land owned by Rangers, plus a couple of other authorities.

 

'Glasgow City Council has recently been in discussions with Rangers Football Club and other interested parties about future redevelopment plans for the area around Ibrox (stadium),' said Councillor George Ryan, executive member for business and the economy.

 

'The intention is to undertake a joint study that will investigate a number of different development opportunities for the area.

 

'The option which is the most economically viable and compliant with our city planning policies will then be worked up into a masterplan for the area and be submitted for planning consent.'

 

Rangers own the large car park across the road from Ibrox stadium that was formerly the Albion training ground. They also own land in the immediate 'stadium precinct' area behind the Broomloan Road and Copland Road stands. Other land close to the stadium is owned by Glasgow City Council, Strathclyde Passenger Tr a n spo r t , Gl a s g o w Housing Association and a firm called Lujo Properties.

 

More than five years ago, outline planning permission was granted for a huge project that would have featured a super casino, with adjacent housing and car parking. That planning consent is described as 'dead to all intents and purposes'.

 

However, a new blueprint is liable to be looked upon favourably given the need for regeneration in that part of Govan. And council sources have indicated that any redevelopment would be linked with the stadium in terms of a car park, a Rangers shop, food outlets, housing and a hotel.

 

All parties appear to be working on the basis that any new owner of Rangers would still wish to see the area around the ground developed with, presumably, a cocktail of funding involved.

 

And with Ibrox due to stage Commonweal t h Games events in 2014, the timing could be just right for such a project.

 

It is another twist in the takeover saga, with fans still wondering exactly why Ellis seems so interested in a Scottish club after flirting with Queens Park Rangers nine years ago and a brief spell as chairman of Northampton Town.

 

Rangers announced on Monday they will look at potential new owners, with non-executive directors Dave King and Paul Murray, linked with a rival bid, barred from sitting on the independent panel appointed.

 

Manager Walter Smith and Ally McCoist are presently working without contracts and the assistant boss and Ibrox icon admitted any new owner might reserve the right to change the dugout staff.

 

'I'm sure if I was buying a football club, I would take a great interest in who I was having run it and I would expect whoever takes over Rangers to do the same,' said McCoist.

 

'They might want their own people in or they might want the people who are in to stay in. We won't know until that time arises.

 

'Some players are in the same boat as the coaching staff. It's not ideal, but we just have to get on with it.'

 

Like Kris Boyd and Nacho Novo, defender Kirk Broadfoot is among half-adozen players out of contract this summer but is no closer to signing after receiving an initial offer.

 

'There has been no progress with my own situation,' said Broadfoot, who will miss tomorrow's Scottish Cup quarter-final with Dundee United because of a hamstring injury.

 

'I have an offer and I will think it over and then we'll see what happens.'

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1257612/EXCLUSIVE-New-Rangers-owners-set-cash-land-bank-Ibrox.html#ixzz0i46oNkJZ

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1257612/EXCLUSIVE-New-Rangers-owners-set-cash-land-bank-Ibrox.html#ixzz0i46e9Ifr

[johnnyk 158]

Attention?

 

I just don't take what I read on forums at face value, likewise the printed or broadcast media.

 

 

From what I have read from NL on here and on FF he seems a very genuine guy and as i said why would anyone make what he posted up?

 

if you don't believe it fine but is there a need to come on and say so?

[Danny 0]

From what I have read from NL on here and on FF he seems a very genuine guy and as i said why would anyone make what he posted up?

 

And I gave you a reason

 

if you don't believe it fine but is there a need to come on and say so?

 

Just because my reply doesn't fit with your beliefs doesn't mean I have less right to post it than your supportive comments.

[johnnyk 158]

And I gave you a reason

 

Just because my reply doesn't fit with your beliefs doesn't mean I have less right to post it than your supportive comments.

 

So you don't believe any posts on here or anywhere unless they have hard evidence to prove what they say?

 

Unless NL taped the conversation or you phone AE yourself for confirmation I doubt you will get hard evidence.

 

You can post what you like and I certainly don't believe everything on forums or in the papers/media but by the sounds of it you don't believe anything anyone says, what is the point

[Danny 0]

So you don't believe any posts on here or anywhere unless they have hard evidence to prove what they say?

 

Unless NL taped the conversation or you phone AE yourself for confirmation I doubt you will get hard evidence.

 

You can post what you like and I certainly don't believe everything on forums or in the papers/media but by the sounds of it you don't believe anything anyone says, what is the point

 

Nearly 100% correct my friend. Well, in the context of mediums of communication such as forums like this.

 

It doesn't pay to believe things presented as facts when they're posted, in my opinion, anonymously and publicly.

 

The point is that I don't swallow anything at face value, I don't just believe because it's in black and white. But I would never lecture to anyone else that they should follow suit.

 

It's just the way I am - I wait for cast iron verification before I buy into something as fact.

[Super_Ally 0]

People can earn some respect and belief about their comments based on previous behaviour. As Johnny says, NL has a previous online history that affords him some level of trust from fans who are familiar with his online persona.

 

Whilst it is best to be sceptical of faceless people online, I think it is just as reasonable to afford some trusted posters the benefit of the doubt. Sure this trust may come back to burn you, but I take NL as being pretty honest and believable.

 

Could probably be better written.

[ian1964 10,486]

THE property tycoon in talks to buy Rangers yesterday revealed his hopes of owning Ibrox within three weeks.

 

A spokesman for businessman Andrew Ellis said he is now "very likely" to buy Sir David Murray's SPL giants in a �£33million deal.

 

The tycoon has own to an African holiday resort to get peace to study the Ibrox club's books and decide whether he wants to complete his bid for the club.

 

And in an exclusive interview, his key business adviser revealed that Ellis is:

 

Confident that he will take control by mid-April.

 

The sole bidder and not a frontman for a wealthy consortium.

 

Putting the finishing touches to the bid at a five-star retreat on the island of Zanzibar.

 

It has also emerged that the club have reopened talks with Glasgow City Council over the redevelopment of land around Ibrox - a scheme first revealed in the Sunday Mail two years ago.

 

Ellis, 42, who lives in a luxury apartment in London's upmarket Knightsbridge, emerged as a frontrunner to take the helm at Ibrox after the proposed deal was announced to the Stock Exchange earlier this month.

 

He has been granted time to examine the club's finances and discuss a takeover with Sir David's firm Murray International.

 

Ellis's offshore firm RFC Holdings (Guernsey) are being represented by Channel Islands trust firm Marlborough, who are listed as the company's directors.

 

Marlborough business development expert David Gilmour, who is handling the deal, said: "Andy is not going to comment because it is very likely he's going to take the club over in the next few weeks.

 

"It is entirely likely that the deal will go through but it's still at an early stage.

 

"I know it's been said that Andy is a frontman for a consortium but I can tell you it's just him - he's the only bidder and there's nobody else behind the deal.

 

"It's going to be around two-and-a-half weeks before anything happens because we are going through the due diligence process at the moment.

 

"Andy is in Zanzibar at the moment and will not be making any comment because of Stock Exchange rules."

 

Ellis emerged as a serious contender to take over at Ibrox around eight days ago.

 

But Rangers fans have called for an input into the process amid fears he may be fronting the bid for other businessmen.

 

He led a �£500,000 to take over English lower league club Northampton Town in November 2002 and became chairman after consortium, Premier Sports Developments, took control.

 

But he stepped down within two months and lef t the club in the ownership of partner David Cardoza.

 

A year earlier, his attempts to buy London team Queens Park Rangers collapsed over a plan to move the club to a new ground near Heathrow airport.

 

His father Peter was chairman of QPR during the 1980s. Yesterday, sources close to him denied that there was anyone else involved. One said: "I can understand why people have reached that conclusion but it's wrong.

 

"This is all about Andy and Andy alone there is no hidden agenda and no secret backer."

 

A Rangers spokesman said: "Legally, the club cannot comment on the proposed takeover under Stock Exchange rules."

 

Meanwhile, it has emerged that Ellis's sole company directorship is with arm who face being struck off over a failure to file accounts.

 

Creedwell, who were founded in 2006, had net assets in 2007 of just �£2654.

 

But the company failed to file their yearly accounts by a strict Government deadline on January 31 this year. Under corporate laws Ellis, who is listed as one of two directors of Creedwell, could be prosecuted and his business wiped from the Register.

 

A Companies House spokeswoman said: "The records show that we have not received these documents by the stated deadline which is why the proposal to strike off is in place."

 

But Gilmour said: "I wouldn't read too much in to a company being struck off - it happens all the time.

 

"It could have been a company set up for one property deal or something and is just being allowed to be struck off - there's nothing unusual in that."

 

Yesterday, Rangers Supporters Trust spokesman David Edgar said: "The fans would welcome an end to the uncertainty over the future of the club.

 

"It would be a positive move as we would no longer be on the market and decisions can then be made to take the club forward.

 

"However, we need to know what Andrew Ellis' plans are, though we appreciate he has been hamstrung in that regard due to the legalities of the takeover."

 

PARTNER IN FRAUD SCANDAL

 

Andrew Ellis' partner in the takeover at Northampton Town lasted just weeks before being forced to quit as the Law Society launched an investigation into his firm.

 

Solicitor Kenneth Good, a co-director at Premier Sports Developments, had replaced Ellis as club chairman. We can reveal that Good, a convicted drink-driver, was struck off at a Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal in 2005.

 

They heard a string of allegations including that he used thousands of pounds of clients' cash for personal use.

 

The tribunal was told a Law Society investigation officer visited Good's firm, Good, Cardona & Co in March 2003 amid, allegations of fraud.

 

The inquiry found a �£140,000 shortfall in a client's account and that Good had used �£25,000 of other people's money to pay his office rent. He even diverted �£2800 of clients' cash to pay a fine.

 

There is no suggestion Ellis was aware of Good's malpractice.

 

REVAMP IS BACK ON TRACK UNDER ELLIS BLUEPRINT

 

Rangers have revived plans for a huge redevelopment of Ibrox first revealed in the Sunday Mail.

 

The opportunity to revamp land around the stadium is thought to be one of the factors luring property developer Andrew Ellis. Ibrox bosses already have outline permission to build on the Hinshelwood area, including the club car park.

 

We revealed in 2008 that they were looking at building housing and a hotel as part of a complete rebuild of the famous stadium.

 

The �£700million scheme hit the buffers because of the global economic crash later that year. But now the plans for the outskirts of the stadium have been revived.

 

Councillor George Ryan said: "Glasgow City Council has recently been in talks with Rangers Football Club and other interested parties about future redevelopment plans for the area around Ibrox. The intention is to undertake a joint study to investigate a number of opportunities for the area.

 

"The option which is most economically viable and compliant with our planning policies will then be worked into a masterplan for the area and submitted for consent."

 

As well as the car park, Rangers hold ownership of land in the immediate surroundings of the ground at Govan.

 

Other land close to the stadium is owned by Glasgow City Council and a mixture of public and private housing companies.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2010/03/14/andrew-ellis-claims-he-is-close-to-sealing-deal-to-buy-rangers-86908-22110084/