craig 5,199 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 He speaks utter gibberish. I'm convinced he's trolling because nobody is that stupid. Everything he says is completely wrong. Apologist to the nth degree Pot....Kettle....Black Please dont, for one minute, think that you dont have your gibberish moments. You do. We ALL Do. But Gersnet prefers that we at least treat each other with a modicum of respect. You may not agree with calscot's opinion (or anyone's for that matter) but debate and argue your point saliently and respectfully. We dont ask much on Gersnet - but name-calling and being disrespectful is one thing we DONT expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm actually preferring the forum these days than say 2 years ago. Only because you enjoy Rangers misery :devil: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 He speaks utter gibberish. I'm convinced he's trolling because nobody is that stupid. Everything he says is completely wrong. Apologist to the nth degree All I can say is you only need to read between the lines here to get a grip of what's going on with this guy. He cannot comprehend that anyone who disagrees with what he says could have even an iota of validity. He won't articulate any defence of his dogmatic beliefs but will attack with extreme prejudice anything that doesn't agree with them. Burn the heretics! It's actually pretty funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Pot....Kettle....Black I pretty much think you have the wrong clich�© - "mote ... beam" is entirely more appropriate... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Again, I don't mind anyone discussing the quality (or otherwise) of this forum and I certainly welcome any feedback/criticism but I think this can be done without calling people idiots or cowards. In fact, after posting a polite warning last week to everyone about such behaviour I'm extremely disappointed people feel they can continue to lower the tone. An Old Firm defeat is always going to heighten tension and people may say things they don't mean as a result. However, it is now Tuesday and there is no excuse for slagging off fellow bears and other members. Grow up. With all due respect, I think it's obvious this has nothing to do the with the OF game. As we painfully know, refereeing is not about trying to erroneously make a dramatic show of even handedness - after someone is fouled, I can't see how it helps to blindly book both players and tell them to grow up. I much prefer the Judge Judy approach... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I thought that if anyone wants to get back on topic, here was my last proper contribution before the insults came flying in. I already expect all the "you're talking pish/shite", "you're always wrong", "you talk gibberish", "you have no point", type rebuttals so maybe we can take them as read and not actually have to clutter the thread with them. If anyone actually wants to have a intelligent and rational debate or discussion then I'm happy to hear their angle on the subject. I may not agree with you, but if you present a well reasoned case, I'll listen respectfully and take it on board. Let's see what's the best this board has to offer... Thought I'd do a bit of research on Scott Symon as I don't know him first hand as he was sacked the year before I was born. He was undoubtedly a great manager, but like Walter was not perfect and while I don't want to play down his achievements, I don't see it as dignified to disparage a successful, current manager by unfairly comparing him to an unrealistic memory of someone from half a century ago. His record is: 1954/55 : 3rd, 0 cups 1955/56 : 1st, 0 cups 1956/57 : 1st, EC out 2nd rnd Nice 1957/58 : 2nd, 0 cups, lost 7-1 Celtic LC final, LC SF Hibs, EC 2nd rnd Milan 1958/59 : 1st, 0 cups 1959/60 : 3rd, won SC, EC SF 12-4 Eitracht Frankfurt 1960/61 : 1st, LC, CWC final, SC out 3rd rnd Motherwell 1961/62 : 2nd, Won SC + LC, EC QF Standard Liege 1962/63 : 1st, won SC, out SF of LC to Kilmarnock, CWC 2nd rnd Spurs 1963/64 : 1st, 2 cups, EC 1st rnd Real Madrid 1964/65 : 5th, won LC, SC 3rd rnd Hibs, EC QF Inter 1965/66 : 2nd, won SC 1966/67 : 2nd, 0 cups, lost to Berwick, CWC final 1967/68 : 2nd, 0 cups, ICFC QF Leeds That's 6 titles in 14 seasons which although quite good, doesn't look as good as 8 titles in 10 seasons for Walter. He also won an impressive 9 trophies in 14 seasons but that again is eclipsed by Smith with 10 in 10 seasons. His record in Europe was pretty amazing, although he failed to win either of the two finals he contested. Walter had one final and while he made the EC semi-final, our current manager did at least the equivalent in '92. Symon's worst seasons in the league seen him finish third twice and fifth whereas Smith's worst are finishing second by a mere two and three points, with the latter basically being cheated from him. Symon's lowest points were losing 7-1 to Celtic in a league cup final and going out to Berwick Rangers in the Scottish cup; two of the worst results in our history. The point I would make is that that does not make him a bad manager, far from it. On the Berwick result Symon was quoted: "I am at a loss to understand how professional players can go into a game like that and apparently fail to understand the consequences of a defeat for the club. Our prestige has received a shattering blow." "They, the players, were found wanting completely in ability and intelligence". Rangers Chairman John Lawrence, quoted: "There is no doubt in my mind, that the only people who can be blamed for this defeat, are the ones on the field, the players." Here's a quote from a website on Scott Symon that may surprise many - on the second CWC final defeat against Bayern Munich: "For some strange reason, Symon left then top scorer, Alex Willoughby, out of the team, and played centre half Roger Hynd up front instead of him. Such was Willoughby's frustration at being dropped, he immediately submitted a transfer request. Symon was hoping, that the skill and speed of Johnston and Henderson on the wings would win the match for him. The fact that Rangers did not have a natural striker up front, for the wingers to pick out, still all these years later, mystify's many." The Rangers chairman said: "Rangers need new strikers, and playing 3 half backs in attack, was not good enough". Here's how the website describes the end for Symon: "The end for Symon came on the 28th October 1967, when after he substituted Alex Willoughby, during a boring 0-0 draw against Dunfermline, the crowd reacted badly to this decisson, and vocally made their feelings known to Symon and the board, exactly what the thought of this decisson." It's also noted that Symon's teams were defeated by Jock Stien's teams who played defensive, counter attacking football - similar to WS today, including losing 5-1 on one occasion. "The simple fact was that Rangers kept pushing up the park trying to get back into the game, and Celtic picked us off on the counter attack." I'm not trying to bring down Symon but to show that much of the criticism aimed at WS could be aimed at almost any manager, even those whose memory we hold dear. WS has his faults but clearly does not deserve the witch hunt he seems to be experiencing, especially when false comparisons to previous great managers are used. Scott Symon was a great manager and for a couple of seasons had what many think of as the best Rangers team of all time; however, when you compare him to Walter Smith, it's incredibly disingenuous and undignified to label the latter as some sort of idiot failure. Nobody's perfect but even then not many can hold a candle to Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What did i miss on this thread? Ha i leave it alone for a day and your all fighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) What did i miss on this thread? Ha i leave it alone for a day and your all fighting. Nah, it was just a pedantic prick and some boorish bastards having a go at each other. Oh and there was some name-calling as well for a while. Of course I stayed right out of it. Edited February 22, 2011 by maineflyer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "We fool ourselves with what we call "knowledge". For what really do we know? We see from one view only, from our eyes only out. We cannot see from other perspectives and we cannot think with others' minds." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Mon the boors! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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