Charles Green on League Reconstruction

[aweebluesoandso 290]

Very clever statement from Charles, puts the cat right in amongst the corrupt Pigeons of the SPl. It should cause a few divisions and arguments as it was designed too. We are getting back on the front foot for a change. Keep it coming Charles let's take the arguments to them for a change.

[forlanssister 3,059]

Not often I agree with Green but I do on this.

[UCF2008 0]

Apart from the bribe it's a decent statement

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Traynor hits out at Scottish football chiefs as Rangers will NOT be fast-tracked to SPL

 

 

Rangers will not be fast-tracked into the Premier Division as part of Scottish football’s radical re-structuring.

Fans of rival clubs have pointed an accusing finger at the governing bodies, insisting the reshaping of the national game is designed to get the Ibrox club back to the top level quickly.

Confirming that Rangers will remain rooted in the 18-team bottom tier even if they win the current Third Division, however, SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted promotion can only be won on merit.

 

 

Asked specifically about Rangers, Doncaster said: ‘There is a genuine desire to ensure that sporting merit is the basis on which clubs fill the positions which are available.

 

 

‘Our intention is to ensure that clubs get there on sporting merit.

‘I don’t think there is any desire to accelerate any club falsely. It’s sporting merit which will decide it.’

That stance was reiterated by the SFL’s David Longmuir, who said: ‘No club will move through the leagues and quicker than any other club given any of the structures we have put in place – and we are unanimous on that.’

The governing bodies spoke as Rangers blasted the failure of the authorities to include them in the restructuring talks.

As associate – and not full – members of the SFL, the Third Division leaders do not have a vote, but new head of communications James Traynor criticised that stance, saying: ‘The sheer hypocrisy of what is happening within Hampden’s corridors of power right now will not be lost on them (Rangers fans) but let’s not pretend sporting integrity or the wishes of supporters really are important to all those clubs pushing for this change.

‘If they were listening to fans they wouldn’t be sticking with a top division of 12, and if there was any integrity there would be no rush to bring in changes for the start of next season.

‘If, as seems likely, the structure is altered for 2013-14 supporters won’t get what they’ve already paid for, especially those following teams striving for promotion. Actually, this entire season will be rendered meaningless.

‘Sporting integrity won’t merely be compromised, it’ll be crushed, but this is what happens when desperation slips in and throttles reason.’

 

 

 

For followers of Rangers, then, news of Scottish football’s brave new dawn was hardly the source of unbridled joy. The end result, if the blueprint is, as expected, passed will see the Ibrox legions once again looking out the road maps to Elgin and Annan.

The finer details of the new plan have yet to emerge, but merging the bottom eight in the current Second Division with the Third Division in its entirety – as seems likely - is hardly a prospect to quicken the pulse.

It also begs the question of what exactly are Rangers - and indeed the rest of the Third Division - playing for this season? The league trophy will assuredly be Rangers’ property before the Easter eggs are opened, but beyond that?

As things stand, Ally McCoist’s men will be in the same division next term as say ninth placed East Stirling (assuming the bottom club will be relegated as part of the pyramid system).

In fairness, no one at Rangers has ever publicly sought any favours from the redrawing of the game’s graph. But if they privately hoped for any, they were certainly in short supply on Tuesday.

 

 

Three years in the wilderness appears to be exactly that. For Ally McCoist, the task of persuading players to pledge their futures to the club as of September 1, has assuredly not been made any easier.

 

Nonetheless, when Sportsmail canvassed the opinion of a leading agent on Tuesday's developments, he remained convinced that the club would continue to sell itself.

‘No one at Rangers has ever suggested to me that they believe they’d be back in the top flight a year sooner than scheduled,’ he said. ‘So I can’t imagine the news will have much bearing on things going forward.

‘They’ve already had success in persuading players to come and play for them in the Third Division so I can’t imagine that will change because they haven’t been moved up the ladder ahead of schedule if you like.

‘For footballers, the appeal of playing in front of 45,000 plus every couple of weeks is obvious.’

Rangers’ crowds this season have been nothing short of remarkable. Near full houses against sides like Arbroath and Queen’s Park in the Third Division have made headlines the world over.

Will a similar recipe next season prove just as enticing? Perhaps not, but at least there will be eight new visitors to sweeten the pot. Ibrox fans have shown a remarkable appetite for the road back to respectability so far.

They now know it’s going to be just as long and winding as was first feared.

 

Full Traynor statement: 'Remember Sporting Integrity?'

 

 

The shape of things to come, three divisions of 12-12-18, has been agreed in principle.

This abomination will now be pulled and stretched by selected members of the SPL and SFL in a desperate attempt to make it more presentable.

Good luck with that.

It would be easier trying to iron out the lines on the face of the old broad, Madge, in Benidorm.

12-12-18. It’s ridiculous, especially when you remember the two 12s will fragment into three eights.

Yet this time supporters will just have to buy into it. Whatever happened to that new and bold notion that fans were all important?

It isn’t that long ago clubs, particularly those in the top flight, were solemnly insisting that ignoring the views of fans would be akin to financial suicide.

Remember? It was when the game was wrestling with the problem of what to do with Rangers.

All the clubs were squealing that the wishes of fans had to be granted. If you swallowed any of that bilge you probably also believed in sporting integrity.

Of course it was all nonsense. Sporting Integrity was a cloak of convenience, albeit a rather thin, practically transparent one, behind which club leaders huddled together to come up with sanctions.

Rangers had to be punished, they deserved to be punished but it seemed as if additional penalties were being randomly introduced depending on who was in which meeting.

 

Many Rangers fans like to think the frenzy to cause the club as much additional pain as possible was driven by one club but that wasn’t strictly the case.

 

Many fans of many clubs waded in but this is not to say Celtic fans or their club didn’t attempt to influence the outcome of debates on Rangers and possible sanctions.

Of course they did. And they are still at it on social media sites and on blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate.

The sheer hypocrisy of what is happening within Hampden’s corridors of power right now will be lost on them but let’s not pretend sporting integrity or the wishes of supporters really are important to all those clubs pushing for this change.

If they were listening to fans they wouldn’t be sticking with a top division of 12 , and if there was any integrity there would be no rush to bring in changes for the start of next season.

If, as seems likely, the structure is altered for 2013-14 supporters won’t get what they’ve already paid for, especially those following teams striving for promotion. Actually this entire season will be rendered meaningless.

Sporting integrity won’t merely be compromised, it’ll be crushed but this is what happens when desperation slips in and throttles reason.

This belief won’t sit well with the few who are more or less running the SPL and influencing thinking within that desperate organisation but they can’t complain. After all, they’ve dismissed Rangers’ views completely.

This club, the biggest one in the country, were not invited to take part in talks which will shape the game’s future.

We are then entitled to conclude that this club are not important, which is strange indeed when so many fans of other clubs continue to be obsessed by Rangers, who are simply getting on with their own affairs asking no favour from anyone.

We do, however, expect commonsense to be applied, along with fair play.

Look, Rangers will return to the top flight, which will of course have to be rebranded. Rangers will take a seat at the head of the table where, despite the latest insult of being shut out of reconstruction talks, we will act with the good of Scottish football in mind.

We’ll work through the divisions and we will return stronger and better than ever before.

This club accepted their sanctions and moved on but too many others have been unable to do the same. They continue their assaults and while the deranged, who are using social media sites as conduits for their twisted agendas, should be ignored there are more than a few in the mainstream still maligning the club at every opportunity.

In a BBC radio debate last Saturday night one pundit, in a matter-of-fact manner, said Charles Green speaks with ‘forked tongue.’ No attempt to explain or justify the statement, just as no explanation was offered when another radio voice claimed there was a dishonesty about Walter Smith when he went public with a late bid for the club.

Word of advice gentlemen. From now on be very careful when talking or writing about this club.

To paraphrase something said about another club, Rangers will not be treated less than others. And although there is no desire to pick fights, be assured that no one will attack Rangers with impunity.

Better, however, to quote Bill Struth: ‘Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. You do that, you will emerge stronger than before.’

 

Tolerance and sanity. That’s what Rangers will demonstrate and maintain, especially when back at the summit.

 

 

 

Be interesting to see if this changes are made to CG wanting into mid tier if it's 12-12-18

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Traynor hits out at Scottish football chiefs as Rangers will NOT be fast-tracked to SPL

 

 

Rangers will not be fast-tracked into the Premier Division as part of Scottish footballâ??s radical re-structuring.

Fans of rival clubs have pointed an accusing finger at the governing bodies, insisting the reshaping of the national game is designed to get the Ibrox club back to the top level quickly.

Confirming that Rangers will remain rooted in the 18-team bottom tier even if they win the current Third Division, however, SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted promotion can only be won on merit.

 

 

Asked specifically about Rangers, Doncaster said: â??There is a genuine desire to ensure that sporting merit is the basis on which clubs fill the positions which are available.

 

 

â??Our intention is to ensure that clubs get there on sporting merit.

â??I donâ??t think there is any desire to accelerate any club falsely. Itâ??s sporting merit which will decide it.â??

That stance was reiterated by the SFLâ??s David Longmuir, who said: â??No club will move through the leagues and quicker than any other club given any of the structures we have put in place â?? and we are unanimous on that.â??

The governing bodies spoke as Rangers blasted the failure of the authorities to include them in the restructuring talks.

As associate â?? and not full â?? members of the SFL, the Third Division leaders do not have a vote, but new head of communications James Traynor criticised that stance, saying: â??The sheer hypocrisy of what is happening within Hampdenâ??s corridors of power right now will not be lost on them (Rangers fans) but letâ??s not pretend sporting integrity or the wishes of supporters really are important to all those clubs pushing for this change.

â??If they were listening to fans they wouldnâ??t be sticking with a top division of 12, and if there was any integrity there would be no rush to bring in changes for the start of next season.

â??If, as seems likely, the structure is altered for 2013-14 supporters wonâ??t get what theyâ??ve already paid for, especially those following teams striving for promotion. Actually, this entire season will be rendered meaningless.

â??Sporting integrity wonâ??t merely be compromised, itâ??ll be crushed, but this is what happens when desperation slips in and throttles reason.â??

 

 

 

For followers of Rangers, then, news of Scottish footballâ??s brave new dawn was hardly the source of unbridled joy. The end result, if the blueprint is, as expected, passed will see the Ibrox legions once again looking out the road maps to Elgin and Annan.

The finer details of the new plan have yet to emerge, but merging the bottom eight in the current Second Division with the Third Division in its entirety â?? as seems likely - is hardly a prospect to quicken the pulse.

It also begs the question of what exactly are Rangers - and indeed the rest of the Third Division - playing for this season? The league trophy will assuredly be Rangersâ?? property before the Easter eggs are opened, but beyond that?

As things stand, Ally McCoistâ??s men will be in the same division next term as say ninth placed East Stirling (assuming the bottom club will be relegated as part of the pyramid system).

In fairness, no one at Rangers has ever publicly sought any favours from the redrawing of the gameâ??s graph. But if they privately hoped for any, they were certainly in short supply on Tuesday.

 

 

Three years in the wilderness appears to be exactly that. For Ally McCoist, the task of persuading players to pledge their futures to the club as of September 1, has assuredly not been made any easier.

 

Nonetheless, when Sportsmail canvassed the opinion of a leading agent on Tuesday's developments, he remained convinced that the club would continue to sell itself.

â??No one at Rangers has ever suggested to me that they believe theyâ??d be back in the top flight a year sooner than scheduled,â?? he said. â??So I canâ??t imagine the news will have much bearing on things going forward.

â??Theyâ??ve already had success in persuading players to come and play for them in the Third Division so I canâ??t imagine that will change because they havenâ??t been moved up the ladder ahead of schedule if you like.

â??For footballers, the appeal of playing in front of 45,000 plus every couple of weeks is obvious.â??

Rangersâ?? crowds this season have been nothing short of remarkable. Near full houses against sides like Arbroath and Queenâ??s Park in the Third Division have made headlines the world over.

Will a similar recipe next season prove just as enticing? Perhaps not, but at least there will be eight new visitors to sweeten the pot. Ibrox fans have shown a remarkable appetite for the road back to respectability so far.

They now know itâ??s going to be just as long and winding as was first feared.

 

Full Traynor statement: 'Remember Sporting Integrity?'

 

 

The shape of things to come, three divisions of 12-12-18, has been agreed in principle.

This abomination will now be pulled and stretched by selected members of the SPL and SFL in a desperate attempt to make it more presentable.

Good luck with that.

It would be easier trying to iron out the lines on the face of the old broad, Madge, in Benidorm.

12-12-18. Itâ??s ridiculous, especially when you remember the two 12s will fragment into three eights.

Yet this time supporters will just have to buy into it. Whatever happened to that new and bold notion that fans were all important?

It isnâ??t that long ago clubs, particularly those in the top flight, were solemnly insisting that ignoring the views of fans would be akin to financial suicide.

Remember? It was when the game was wrestling with the problem of what to do with Rangers.

All the clubs were squealing that the wishes of fans had to be granted. If you swallowed any of that bilge you probably also believed in sporting integrity.

Of course it was all nonsense. Sporting Integrity was a cloak of convenience, albeit a rather thin, practically transparent one, behind which club leaders huddled together to come up with sanctions.

Rangers had to be punished, they deserved to be punished but it seemed as if additional penalties were being randomly introduced depending on who was in which meeting.

 

Many Rangers fans like to think the frenzy to cause the club as much additional pain as possible was driven by one club but that wasnâ??t strictly the case.

 

Many fans of many clubs waded in but this is not to say Celtic fans or their club didnâ??t attempt to influence the outcome of debates on Rangers and possible sanctions.

Of course they did. And they are still at it on social media sites and on blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate.

The sheer hypocrisy of what is happening within Hampdenâ??s corridors of power right now will be lost on them but letâ??s not pretend sporting integrity or the wishes of supporters really are important to all those clubs pushing for this change.

If they were listening to fans they wouldnâ??t be sticking with a top division of 12 , and if there was any integrity there would be no rush to bring in changes for the start of next season.

If, as seems likely, the structure is altered for 2013-14 supporters wonâ??t get what theyâ??ve already paid for, especially those following teams striving for promotion. Actually this entire season will be rendered meaningless.

Sporting integrity wonâ??t merely be compromised, itâ??ll be crushed but this is what happens when desperation slips in and throttles reason.

This belief wonâ??t sit well with the few who are more or less running the SPL and influencing thinking within that desperate organisation but they canâ??t complain. After all, theyâ??ve dismissed Rangersâ?? views completely.

This club, the biggest one in the country, were not invited to take part in talks which will shape the gameâ??s future.

We are then entitled to conclude that this club are not important, which is strange indeed when so many fans of other clubs continue to be obsessed by Rangers, who are simply getting on with their own affairs asking no favour from anyone.

We do, however, expect commonsense to be applied, along with fair play.

Look, Rangers will return to the top flight, which will of course have to be rebranded. Rangers will take a seat at the head of the table where, despite the latest insult of being shut out of reconstruction talks, we will act with the good of Scottish football in mind.

Weâ??ll work through the divisions and we will return stronger and better than ever before.

This club accepted their sanctions and moved on but too many others have been unable to do the same. They continue their assaults and while the deranged, who are using social media sites as conduits for their twisted agendas, should be ignored there are more than a few in the mainstream still maligning the club at every opportunity.

In a BBC radio debate last Saturday night one pundit, in a matter-of-fact manner, said Charles Green speaks with â??forked tongue.â?? No attempt to explain or justify the statement, just as no explanation was offered when another radio voice claimed there was a dishonesty about Walter Smith when he went public with a late bid for the club.

Word of advice gentlemen. From now on be very careful when talking or writing about this club.

To paraphrase something said about another club, Rangers will not be treated less than others. And although there is no desire to pick fights, be assured that no one will attack Rangers with impunity.

Better, however, to quote Bill Struth: â??Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. You do that, you will emerge stronger than before.â??

 

Tolerance and sanity. Thatâ??s what Rangers will demonstrate and maintain, especially when back at the summit.

 

 

 

Be interesting to see if this changes are made to CG wanting into mid tier if it's 12-12-18

[rbr 1,247]

Was that article not from January sometime

[UCF2008 0]

I'm not saying the wrong conclusion is being drawn, but it's worth pointing out that when Doncaster and Longmuir were asked specifically if there was a chance of Rangers being fast-tracked they didn't actually say no.

 

From Fiorentina's Wiki - 'The club was promptly re-established in August 2002 as Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola with shoe and leather entrepreneur Diego Della Valle as new owner and the club was admitted into Serie C2, the fourth tier of Italian football. The only player to remain at the club in its new incarnation was Angelo Di Livio, whose commitment to club's cause further endeared him to the fans. Helped by Di Livio and 30-goal striker Christian Riganò, the club won its Serie C2 group with considerable ease, which would normally have led to a promotion to Serie C1. Due to the bizarre Caso Catania (Catania Case), however, the club skipped Serie C1 and was admitted into Serie B, something that was only made possible by the Italian Football Federation's decision to resolve the Catania situation by increasing the number of teams in Serie B from 20 to 24 and promoting Fiorentina for "sports merits".'

 

Then we've got Doncaster -

 

'Asked specifically about Rangers, Doncaster said: ‘There is a genuine desire to ensure that sporting merit is the basis on which clubs fill the positions which are available.

‘Our intention is to ensure that clubs get there on sporting merit.

‘I don’t think there is any desire to accelerate any club falsely. It’s sporting merit which will decide it.’

 

Interesting choice of wording if you ask me

[simplythebest 0]

Not often I agree with Green but I do on this.

 

Well knock me over with a feather.

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Then we've got Doncaster -

 

'Asked specifically about Rangers, Doncaster said: ‘There is a genuine desire to ensure that sporting merit is the basis on which clubs fill the positions which are available.

‘Our intention is to ensure that clubs get there on sporting merit.

‘I don’t think there is any desire to accelerate any club falsely. It’s sporting merit which will decide it.’

 

Interesting choice of wording if you ask me

 

That will come back to bite him. Just the same as his sporting integrity and he was still trying to strips titles a few weeks ago. And where is the sporting merit in making the rules up as you go along. Not even changing it half way through a season but 8 weeks from the end.

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There has been no shortage of voices banging on about sporting integrity over the last year but sporting integrity must cut both ways.

 

Excellent.

 

I would also be prepared to guarantee other clubs the ticket revenue equivalent of 300 Rangers fans turning up for matches.

 

Nice gesture, I await the 'bribe' accusations though.

 

Good statement.