craig 5,199 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Almost all Rangers fans except me will say it was not a penalty and almost all Celtic fans will say it was a penalty. It would be interesting to hear the opinions of non old firm fans. I am actually one who could easily be swayed in either direction on the penalty incident. But I certainly lean to the side that Hill made contact with the ball and it wasn't a penalty. But I also can see why someone would contend that Hill made contact with the player and a penalty should have been given. I always try to look at these incidents as if it was one of our players who was the "victim" - I would have been screaming for a penalty if that was at the other end, and probably still would despite Hill's contact with the ball. Doesn't mean the ref made the wrong decision though 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabie 230 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Almost all Rangers fans except me will say it was not a penalty and almost all Celtic fans will say it was a penalty. It would be interesting to hear the opinions of non old firm fans. Two former referees said it was possibly a penalty but that they understand why it was not given - the referee couldn't see what had happened. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Almost all Rangers fans except me will say it was not a penalty and almost all Celtic fans will say it was a penalty. It would be interesting to hear the opinions of non old firm fans. An ex-ref - can't remember if it was Richmond or Gallagher - think it was Gallagher - said that Madden got the call spot on. That is a non-OF person and one with previous officiating experience. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,677 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 It would be interesting to hear the opinions of non old firm fans. Doesn't that cover these 'ex refs'? And non old firm fans? We can expect a neutral view from spoon burners and sheep etc? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1. Glad we agree on that now 2. I don't doubt what you are saying and I agree. What I am saying is that it is wrong. And it undoubtedly IS wrong. Whether an incident happens in the 1st minute or last shouldn't determine whether a penalty is given or not. Just the exact same as we regularly hear that "if that challenge had taken place in the middle of the pitch rather than in the box the ref would have given a free kick". It shouldn't matter where on the pitch or when in the game - the refs job is to make decisions, right or wrong - and NONE of those decisions should be determined by location on the pitch or the timing of the incident. 3. I did disagree on Brown - I still do. I am not nearly as convinced as you are that it was violent conduct. Two out of three ain't bad. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here; but if you look at the video again, you will see that the referee is approx 20-25 yards away and has a clear line of sight to the incident. There is no player between him and the incident. So whatever the reason he didn't award a penalty it was not because he didn't see the incident. How on earth was the ref supposed to see the challenge ? The challenge took place on the opposite side - the ref was behind the play watching it - but the tackle took place on the ref's blind side. Of course he didn't see it properly. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Two former referees said it was possibly a penalty but that they understand why it was not given - the referee couldn't see what had happened. Fair enough but I disagree with them. Having viewed the video numerous times I remain of the opinion that the referee is approx 20-25 yards away and has a clear line of sight on an angle form right to left to the incident. If I had the technology I could freeze frame and draw a straight line from the referee to to the incident because there is no player between him and the incident. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I would also disagree when you say, BH, that Madden "bottled it". If anything he showed tremendous courage by not giving the penalty seeing as he was going to be subjected to 50,000+ baying hordes of Tims. That is far from bottling it. Bottling it would have seen him give the penalty, not the reverse. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 How on earth was the ref supposed to see the challenge ? The challenge took place on the opposite side - the ref was behind the play watching it - but the tackle took place on the ref's blind side. . He was looking straight at it from right to left. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Fair enough but I disagree with them. Having viewed the video numerous times I remain of the opinion that the referee is approx 20-25 yards away and has a clear line of sight on an angle form right to left to the incident. If I had the technology I could freeze frame and draw a straight line from the referee to to the incident because there is no player between him and the incident. If his angle is right to left then he still doesn't see it - because Hill's leg comes from right to left - he is blindsided regarding ball and challenge. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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