Anyone Attending the Club AGM?

[CammyF 6,885]

25 minutes ago, forlanssister said:

In what respect exactly?

Not communicating, treating us like customers, promising to fix issues and not following through (ticketing, customer service), mixed messages (over money available for transfers), telling us we have no money in the bank 24hrs after UEFA deposited (IIRC) £13M into our bank account.

 

Releasing car-crash interviews when the heat was turned up regarding their continued silence. Originally releasing said interviews behind RTV pay-wall. Then disappearing back into their bunkers. 

 

Releasing Champions League tickets at the top end of the price band, insinuating the MyGers is a money making scheme and loyalty is based on ££££ spent with club.

 

Continually reducing the RSC away allocations making it impossible for supporters clubs to run buses to away games and forcing some clubs to fold. 

 

Refusing to speak to fan groups regarding safe standing.

 

Spilling costs of NEH and the sale or non-sale of Albion Carpark.

 

The cock-up with friendly in Australia v them and the court case surrounding this. Who authorised it to begin with? 

 

Practically ignoring our 150 anniversary where UBs and Hamburg did more than Rangers. 

 

Directors, employees and ambassadors leaving under a cloak of secrecy.

 

That's just off the top of my head. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by CammyF

[buster. 4,808]

13 hours ago, forlanssister said:

I think their roots took hold long before the current regime gained control. They then failed to adequately convey to the fans just how far the Club had fallen in EVERY single department, a failure to communicate at the basic level. There are things we may not like to hear but we should hear (imho).

 

In some respects their errors compounded already problematic areas (i.e. retail) but I don't think they're claiming infallibility.

 

As much as Bisgove gets it tight from the fans he's the calibre of people we need to recruit, if only everyone fulfilled their remit as well as he does.

 

Given how much the Board and the other backers have invested I expect them to get it right after it is their OWN money they're playing with.

 

Whilst they did indeed listen to me regarding the disabled situation they're not going to be knocking on my door for advice on how to run the Club. 😂

Thanks for the reply !

 

Communicating with the fanbase is quite a daunting responsibility for an ordinaty mortal and goes way beyond anything the directors will have come accross in their own business environment. Microscopic analysis is almost immediately applied by what must seem like half the country, all of the media and reaction soon follows.

 

What we (as a club) have tended to do over the years is communicate with the fanbase, telling the fanbase what we think they want to hear / what we think will go down well and/or anything to distract from poor performance or boardroom shenanigans (spivs).

 

Sir Duped mainly used the MSM to get his narrative to dominate and have most of the support in the palm of his hand. When things got difficult he would line up the legends to support him in same MSM. He eventually hired Mediahouse, mainly to protect himself.

 

Jack Irvine (Mediahouse) was used as what I called a Continuity Bridge between various spivs taking the reigns (Not CWhyte IIRC). ie. hired and paid for by the club to protect and shield the spivs. IIRC he would also brief Ashley's PR man, Bishop.

 

In 2013 I got a fleeting glimpse at relevant attitudes to professional PR that I didn't think important beyond that particular moment, but now I wonder. In the long lead up to the December AGM, one group opposing the spivs contacted me, mainly to help relay some information onto the FF messageboard. I'd get the info via PM on FF. Then a go between (an ex journalist at The Glasgow Herald & BBC) would speak to me about things and would ask me for my view on X or Y. He said the group lacked a PR consultant and were considering hiring one but in his last email to me, said that Paul Murray had said he'd do the PR stuff.

 

Firstly, I couldn't believe that this group would ask the opinion on X or Y from a punter on a messageboard. Relay info, yes but consult in an area that I had no training or experience in !!!

Secondly, that they decided not to go with professional PR and predictably had their arse handed to them by Irvine.

 

Moving on,.... to his credit, Paul Murray came out on RTV in April 2015 laying out a realistic projected timetable as to the next 3-5 years. Dave King repeated the strategy of Constructive/Structured losses funded by directors/investors.

 

Jim Traynor and David Graham came and went. Another two who hadn't much, if any, direct experience in PR.

Positive change was that they were hired to protect the actual club....BUT No surprise the rookies ended up as two poor appointments.

 

We have spent years heavily focusing on the positives and regards finance, have recently had to give the fanbase a crash course in the negatives, to partly justify their own (in)actions.

 

Alignment has been a popular buzz word for the board but it needs to incorporate the fanbase, using reality and not just positivity.

 

Despite the business experience of the Rangers board, I don't think they know what they are doing when it comes to communication. I think they are almost daunted by it and it now looks as though they are winging it , crossing their fingers that Beale is a success and keeping the support happy (and quiet).

 

 

 

 

[forlanssister 3,050]

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

Not communicating, treating us like customers, promising to fix issues and not following through (ticketing, customer service), mixed messages (over money available for transfers), telling us we have no money in the bank 24hrs after UEFA deposited (IIRC) £13M into our bank account.

Already stated ad nauseum the PR and Communication stuff, I'm shoulder to shoulder with you there.

 

I'm more than content that the Board ignore the spend,spend,spend short termism that inevitably backfires. We surely all should want the Club to run sustainably within its means?

 

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Releasing car-crash interviews when the heat was turned up regarding their continued silence. Originally releasing said interviews behind RTV pay-wall. Then disappearing back into their bunkers. 

Again I concur. The reactive rather than proactive nature of our PR irks immensely and is clearly a form of self harming.

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Releasing Champions League tickets at the top end of the price band, insinuating the MyGers is a money making scheme and loyalty is based on ££££ spent with club.

Whilst the price stung there's a valid argument that actually they priced it correctly according to market demand. I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't think MyGers is a money raising scheme, it isn't perfect by any means but plenty are happy enough to join it. Such "loyalty" schemes are used all over Europe and beyond we're only playing catch up in that respect. 

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Continually reducing the RSC away allocations making it impossible for supporters clubs to run buses to away games and forcing some clubs to fold. 

I probably have even stronger feelings on this point than you, being a bus convener this has continually f*&ked me over, we can barely run a car to away games now let alone a bus. Removing Bar72 patrons from RSC lists has further compounded the situation for us. 

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Refusing to speak to fan groups regarding safe standing.

Fwiw safe standing is inevitable at some point but the simple fact of the matter is that it's way down the list of current priorities.

 

One point I've noticed about some of those shouting for safe standing is a complete lack of understanding just what it is and what it entails. I hope those who do engage with the Club on the issue have a better understanding than the average keyboard warrior currently screaming for it.

 

Personally I think when it is done it should be done correctly and those demanding the rail seating now because they have it accross the city would be selling the fans short in the longer term. Until recently I would have settled for wheelchair facilities that would have been far inferior those which the Club unveiled last week.

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Spilling costs of NEH and the sale or non-sale of Albion Carpark.

I think the circumstances stances surrounding EH were pretty much outside the Boards control. Personally I'm absolutely delighted the sale of the Albion fell through if anything I'd like to see another storey on top of it. We should be looking to increase our property holdings in the vicinity of Ibrox not reduce them. That was a monumental failure of Murray's short term attitude during his tenure.

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

The cock-up with friendly in Australia v them and the court case surrounding this. Who authorised it to begin with? 

I'm in the tiny minority that actually seen merit in the fixture 

 

Again I think it's maily the result of a PR and Communication failure which was entirely avoidable.

 

I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash.

 

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Practically ignoring our 150 anniversary where UBs and Hamburg did more than Rangers. 

I concur entirely, that was extremely disappointing to put it mildly.

 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Directors, employees and ambassadors leaving under a cloak of secrecy.

 

That's just off the top of my head. 

That's normal practice practically everywhere, can't see how that could possibly be regarded as a failure of the Board.

[buster. 4,808]

8 minutes ago, forlanssister said:

Already stated ad nauseum the PR and Communication stuff, I'm shoulder to shoulder with you there.

 

I'm more than content that the Board ignore the spend,spend,spend short termism that inevitably backfires. We surely all should want the Club to run sustainably within its means?

 

 

Again I concur. The reactive rather than proactive nature of our PR irks immensely and is clearly a form of self harming.

 

Whilst the price stung there's a valid argument that actually they priced it correctly according to market demand. I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't think MyGers is a money raising scheme, it isn't perfect by any means but plenty are happy enough to join it. Such "loyalty" schemes are used all over Europe and beyond we're only playing catch up in that respect. 

 

I probably have even stronger feelings on this point than you, being a bus convener this has continually f*&ked me over, we can barely run a car to away games now let alone a bus. Removing Bar72 patrons from RSC lists has further compounded the situation for us. 

 

Fwiw safe standing is inevitable at some point but the simple fact of the matter is that it's way down the list of current priorities.

 

One point I've noticed about some of those shouting for safe standing is a complete lack of understanding just what it is and what it entails. I hope those who do engage with the Club on the issue have a better understanding than the average keyboard warrior currently screaming for it.

 

Personally I think when it is done it should be done correctly and those demanding the rail seating now because they have it accross the city would be selling the fans short in the longer term. Until recently I would have settled for wheelchair facilities that would have been far inferior those which the Club unveiled last week.

 

I think the circumstances stances surrounding EH were pretty much outside the Boards control. Personally I'm absolutely delighted the sale of the Albion fell through if anything I'd like to see another storey on top of it. We should be looking to increase our property holdings in the vicinity of Ibrox not reduce them. That was a monumental failure of Murray's short term attitude during his tenure.

 

I'm in the tiny minority that actually seen merit in the fixture 

 

Again I think it's maily the result of a PR and Communication failure which was entirely avoidable.

 

I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash.

 

 

I concur entirely, that was extremely disappointing to put it mildly.

 

That's normal practice practically everywhere, can't see how that could possibly be regarded as a failure of the Board.

An example of constructive communication (at least at messages board level) 👏

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by buster.

[stewarty 1,877]

@CammyF

 

I love the passion and you make a lot of really good points, but you're in danger of being blinkered and ignoring valid counter-arguments to the point where you end with an angry list of grievances, some of which are valid but alot can be argued against...

 

Time for some devil's advocate replies...  

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Not communicating, treating us like customers, promising to fix issues and not following through (ticketing, customer service), mixed messages (over money available for transfers), telling us we have no money in the bank 24hrs after UEFA deposited (IIRC) £13M into our bank account.

They are communicating, just not as well as they could.  We are customers, just a particular breed of really passionate ones that pore over the minutiae of every single decision whether good or bad.   They are attempting to fix issues over customer service (they've hired a new Customer Service Manager)and are planning a new solution for ticketing - Bisgrove himself has done the rounds with fan media (communicating no less!) where they explained in rough terms what the plan is, but from memory he also explained that this is just one of several other costs they are balancing.  It comes down to priorities.  

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Releasing car-crash interviews when the heat was turned up regarding their continued silence. Originally releasing said interviews behind RTV pay-wall. Then disappearing back into their bunkers. 

This was a mis-step at worst.  Its been massively overplayed.  They have had the AGM a few weeks later where they've discussed the accounts in detail and offered themselves up for engagement on any topic.  Its not their fault that some of the issues we want to know more about didn't come up in the Q&A.  And some of the stuff that we want to know about, they will be restricted in what they can say if its commercially sensitive or legally priviliged.

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Releasing Champions League tickets at the top end of the price band, insinuating the MyGers is a money making scheme and loyalty is based on ££££ spent with club.

The UCL packages sold out.  MyGers is nothing less than the majority of big clubs do themselves.  There are aspects of it that I don't like about it either, but if we don't do it, we are putting ourselves further behind competitors in terms of being able to generate revenue.

 

I remember having discussions on message boards and with friends about the complete lack of commercialisation of the fans and how we were missing out on lots of opportunities to generate revenue.  We now have fan zones, a new venue next to the ground about to open up, a museum, bigger club shop.  We are finally getting to the point where we are just about caught up.  We were way behind for a number of years.

 

I get that commoditising supporters feels wrong, and I think they'll need to re-think the UCL packages slightly, but overall I think the club are on the right track commercially.

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Continually reducing the RSC away allocations making it impossible for supporters clubs to run buses to away games and forcing some clubs to fold. 

This one is tricky as we are limited by what other clubs are doing on this.  We also need to balance the MyGers offering by making sure this is a route that supporters have to getting to away games.  I'm not close enough to these issues though as I'm not an RSC member.

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Refusing to speak to fan groups regarding safe standing.

Thats just not true.   There have been many discussions over the years, its just that the club has other priorities.

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Spilling costs of NEH and the sale or non-sale of Albion Carpark.

Are the Board to blame for inflation?

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

The cock-up with friendly in Australia v them and the court case surrounding this. Who authorised it to begin with? 

Personally I didn't have a major issue with the game if it helped generate much needed revenue.  But there was a groundswell of opinion against it and they played funny buggers with regards to various aspects that we are counter-suing over...

 

I suspect that had we won the league or the EL, we would have been baws oot in Sydney and Celtic would have been the ones to withdraw. 

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Practically ignoring our 150 anniversary where UBs and Hamburg did more than Rangers. 

Getting into some hyperbole here.  https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/150th-anniversary-celebrations/38GTGEBz2s5Buct4GraBAW#:~:text=March 2022 is a focal,well as the Blue Sky

 

11 hours ago, CammyF said:

Directors, employees and ambassadors leaving under a cloak of secrecy.

There was no secrecy regarding senior people leaving - we had press releases for David Graham and Barry Scott, and the latter was announced to LSE and recorded on Companies House.

 

Ambassadors? I'll give you that one but we have lots of club legends who do that kind of work from time to time... its neither a secret nor something I'm overly worried.  

[forlanssister 3,050]

3 hours ago, buster. said:

Thanks for the reply !

 

Communicating with the fanbase is quite a daunting responsibility for an ordinaty mortal and goes way beyond anything the directors will have come accross in their own business environment. Microscopic analysis is almost immediately applied by what must seem like half the country, all of the media and reaction soon follows.

 

What we (as a club) have tended to do over the years is communicate with the fanbase, telling the fanbase what we think they want to hear / what we think will go down well and/or anything to distract from poor performance or boardroom shenanigans (spivs).

 

Sir Duped mainly used the MSM to get his narrative to dominate and have most of the support in the palm of his hand. When things got difficult he would line up the legends to support him in same MSM. He eventually hired Mediahouse, mainly to protect himself.

 

Jack Irvine (Mediahouse) was used as what I called a Continuity Bridge between various spivs taking the reigns (Not CWhyte IIRC). ie. hired and paid for by the club to protect and shield the spivs. IIRC he would also brief Ashley's PR man, Bishop.

 

In 2013 I got a fleeting glimpse at relevant attitudes to professional PR that I didn't think important beyond that particular moment, but now I wonder. In the long lead up to the December AGM, one group opposing the spivs contacted me, mainly to help relay some information onto the FF messageboard. I'd get the info via PM on FF. Then a go between (an ex journalist at The Glasgow Herald & BBC) would speak to me about things and would ask me for my view on X or Y. He said the group lacked a PR consultant and were considering hiring one but in his last email to me, said that Paul Murray had said he'd do the PR stuff.

 

Firstly, I couldn't believe that this group would ask the opinion on X or Y from a punter on a messageboard. Relay info, yes but consult in an area that I had no training or experience in !!!

Secondly, that they decided not to go with professional PR and predictably had their arse handed to them by Irvine.

 

Moving on,.... to his credit, Paul Murray came out on RTV in April 2015 laying out a realistic projected timetable as to the next 3-5 years. Dave King repeated the strategy of Constructive/Structured losses funded by directors/investors.

 

Jim Traynor and David Graham came and went. Another two who hadn't much, if any, direct experience in PR.

Positive change was that they were hired to protect the actual club....BUT No surprise the rookies ended up as two poor appointments.

 

We have spent years heavily focusing on the positives and regards finance, have recently had to give the fanbase a crash course in the negatives, to partly justify their own (in)actions.

 

Alignment has been a popular buzz word for the board but it needs to incorporate the fanbase, using reality and not just positivity.

 

Despite the business experience of the Rangers board, I don't think they know what they are doing when it comes to communication. I think they are almost daunted by it and it now looks as though they are winging it , crossing their fingers that Beale is a success and keeping the support happy (and quiet).

 

 

 

 

I was always of the opinion that Murray was reasonably content to let the Club be criticised and castigated as long as it didn't spread to him and his empire.

 

I get the employment of Jack Irvine by all the shady characters that have befallen us and agree with you as absolutely he was there to protect them personally at the Club's expense and you can argure that to large degree he succeeded in that brief.

 

I digress with you regarding Whyte/Irvine assuming that is I'm reading it correctly.

 

I too was extremely puzzled by the PR Communication strategy of for the want of a better term "good guys" at the tme around the "sale" to Whyte right through till the final push to the gazebo on the pitch.

 

Iirc we were pretty much in tune at the time ploughing a very lonely furrow particularly in regards to Whyte et al.

 

Looking back though I think I get their reasoning in doing it the way they did and in the cold light of day it I don't think it was as big an error as it appeared to me at the time. Post gazebo is an entirely different matter and like everyone else I'm both irked and puzzled by the whole PR and Communication strategy or rather non-strategy.

[Blue Moon 1,118]

I will be avoiding this thread from now on.  There's only so many times we can go over old ground.

[CammyF 6,885]

7 hours ago, stewarty said:

@CammyF

 

I love the passion and you make a lot of really good points, but you're in danger of being blinkered and ignoring valid counter-arguments to the point where you end with an angry list of grievances, some of which are valid but alot can be argued against...

 

Time for some devil's advocate replies...  

 

They are communicating, just not as well as they could.  We are customers, just a particular breed of really passionate ones that pore over the minutiae of every single decision whether good or bad.   They are attempting to fix issues over customer service (they've hired a new Customer Service Manager)and are planning a new solution for ticketing - Bisgrove himself has done the rounds with fan media (communicating no less!) where they explained in rough terms what the plan is, but from memory he also explained that this is just one of several other costs they are balancing.  It comes down to priorities.  

 

This was a mis-step at worst.  Its been massively overplayed.  They have had the AGM a few weeks later where they've discussed the accounts in detail and offered themselves up for engagement on any topic.  Its not their fault that some of the issues we want to know more about didn't come up in the Q&A.  And some of the stuff that we want to know about, they will be restricted in what they can say if its commercially sensitive or legally priviliged.

 

The UCL packages sold out.  MyGers is nothing less than the majority of big clubs do themselves.  There are aspects of it that I don't like about it either, but if we don't do it, we are putting ourselves further behind competitors in terms of being able to generate revenue.

 

I remember having discussions on message boards and with friends about the complete lack of commercialisation of the fans and how we were missing out on lots of opportunities to generate revenue.  We now have fan zones, a new venue next to the ground about to open up, a museum, bigger club shop.  We are finally getting to the point where we are just about caught up.  We were way behind for a number of years.

 

I get that commoditising supporters feels wrong, and I think they'll need to re-think the UCL packages slightly, but overall I think the club are on the right track commercially.

 

This one is tricky as we are limited by what other clubs are doing on this.  We also need to balance the MyGers offering by making sure this is a route that supporters have to getting to away games.  I'm not close enough to these issues though as I'm not an RSC member.

 

Thats just not true.   There have been many discussions over the years, its just that the club has other priorities.

 

Are the Board to blame for inflation?

 

Personally I didn't have a major issue with the game if it helped generate much needed revenue.  But there was a groundswell of opinion against it and they played funny buggers with regards to various aspects that we are counter-suing over...

 

I suspect that had we won the league or the EL, we would have been baws oot in Sydney and Celtic would have been the ones to withdraw. 

 

Getting into some hyperbole here.  https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/150th-anniversary-celebrations/38GTGEBz2s5Buct4GraBAW#:~:text=March 2022 is a focal,well as the Blue Sky

 

There was no secrecy regarding senior people leaving - we had press releases for David Graham and Barry Scott, and the latter was announced to LSE and recorded on Companies House.

 

Ambassadors? I'll give you that one but we have lots of club legends who do that kind of work from time to time... its neither a secret nor something I'm overly worried.  

@stewarty

 

Thanks for the response and I understand that there is always a flip side to each "issue". 

 

Once upon a time, I could take the complement (if it was one 😀) about being passionate about all things Rangers (if I'm honest, at one stage it took over my life).

 

People thought/think it was easy submitting articles for fanzines that had to be current and interesting (mimes were usually just rants - so not much has changed!).

 

Through the fanzine community (ie contributors) I got my eyes open to David Murray. In the beginning there were a few lonely dissenting voices that tried to warn the wider fanbase, but it was akin to farting against thunder. And as I've mentioned before we had to endure threats, being spat on and chased from the front door at Ibrox.

 

I was certainly passionate back then but if I'm honest, I'm now just a moaning faced old sh1t who should know better, but who likes to point out things I believe to be wrong (or broken).

 

I will never be happy with a board (or a manager, or a team) until they are winning trebles, the SPFL most seasons, European trophies etc. I also know that that is not attainable at the moment (it is highly unlikely to be any time soon). However in my warped way of thinking, it's what I want out board to strive for and deliver. 

 

Some may say they are striving for this bit it'll take time. I understand that but as said above if there are areas I feel broken and that are easy to fix (and let's be honest most of the operational and communications issues highlighted are very easy to fix) then the board should move quickly to address.

 

I know and understand most fans won't agree and I'm OK with that, I would worry for folks sanity if they did agree with me  😉 

 

I just think of myself as the Gersnet resident Victor Meldrew 

[CammyF 6,885]

9 hours ago, forlanssister said:

Already stated ad nauseum the PR and Communication stuff, I'm shoulder to shoulder with you there.

 

I'm more than content that the Board ignore the spend,spend,spend short termism that inevitably backfires. We surely all should want the Club to run sustainably within its means?

 

 

Again I concur. The reactive rather than proactive nature of our PR irks immensely and is clearly a form of self harming.

 

Whilst the price stung there's a valid argument that actually they priced it correctly according to market demand. I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't think MyGers is a money raising scheme, it isn't perfect by any means but plenty are happy enough to join it. Such "loyalty" schemes are used all over Europe and beyond we're only playing catch up in that respect. 

 

I probably have even stronger feelings on this point than you, being a bus convener this has continually f*&ked me over, we can barely run a car to away games now let alone a bus. Removing Bar72 patrons from RSC lists has further compounded the situation for us. 

 

Fwiw safe standing is inevitable at some point but the simple fact of the matter is that it's way down the list of current priorities.

 

One point I've noticed about some of those shouting for safe standing is a complete lack of understanding just what it is and what it entails. I hope those who do engage with the Club on the issue have a better understanding than the average keyboard warrior currently screaming for it.

 

Personally I think when it is done it should be done correctly and those demanding the rail seating now because they have it accross the city would be selling the fans short in the longer term. Until recently I would have settled for wheelchair facilities that would have been far inferior those which the Club unveiled last week.

 

I think the circumstances stances surrounding EH were pretty much outside the Boards control. Personally I'm absolutely delighted the sale of the Albion fell through if anything I'd like to see another storey on top of it. We should be looking to increase our property holdings in the vicinity of Ibrox not reduce them. That was a monumental failure of Murray's short term attitude during his tenure.

 

I'm in the tiny minority that actually seen merit in the fixture 

 

Again I think it's maily the result of a PR and Communication failure which was entirely avoidable.

 

I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash.

 

 

I concur entirely, that was extremely disappointing to put it mildly.

 

That's normal practice practically everywhere, can't see how that could possibly be regarded as a failure of the Board.

@forlanssister thanks for the detailed response.

 

Regarding RSC tickets and logistics, I used to be on the committee of our local RSC but "resigned" when I started working away in US / Canada. Now I'm back, I help out a little, so I feel your pain.

 

Most away games we share with two or three other local RSC which usually means we can get a bus (usually a mini bus) for away games.

 

I stopped going to away games and only go now when out RSC is struggling to shift their tickets (usually the likes of Livingston and St Johnstone).

 

I know MyGers is a money making scheme and I didn't join it as I didn't agree with it. Really cutting my nose of to spite my face, but there you go! 

 

As I said in my reply to Stewarty I'm passed the stage of actively monitoring the political issues around the club, I just don't have the energy for it anymore.

 

Bit when I see "easy fixes" and "own goals" it frustrates and disappoints me. The issues we've discussed are (mostly) easy to fix and would gain the board overwhelming support and shut the likes of me up 😉

[forlanssister 3,050]

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

@forlanssister thanks for the detailed response.

 

Regarding RSC tickets and logistics, I used to be on the committee of our local RSC but "resigned" when I started working away in US / Canada. Now I'm back, I help out a little, so I feel your pain.

 

Most away games we share with two or three other local RSC which usually means we can get a bus (usually a mini bus) for away games.

 

I stopped going to away games and only go now when out RSC is struggling to shift their tickets (usually the likes of Livingston and St Johnstone).

I sometimes think the whole world is conspiring against those running RSC's as each season every little change just makes it harder and harder. Other RSC's we work with are faced with the same so we hardly get any swaps now as there's nothing to swap anymore.

 

 

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

I know MyGers is a money making scheme and I didn't join it as I didn't agree with it. Really cutting my nose of to spite my face, but there you go! 

Had the Travel Club still existed I'd have probably opted out of MyGers too, I felt the Travel Club being discarded was an act of disgrace at the very least it should have been a separate sub-section within MyGers. 

 

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

As I said in my reply to Stewarty I'm passed the stage of actively monitoring the political issues around the club, I just don't have the energy for it anymore.

Personally I think we're relatively stable politically save the DK/Club72 stuff which is purely related to filthy lucre despite any claims to the contrary.

 

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

Bit when I see "easy fixes" and "own goals" it frustrates and disappoints me. The issues we've discussed are (mostly) easy to fix and would gain the board overwhelming support and shut the likes of me up 😉

I share your pain and frustration.