Who should be the new manager?

[CammyF 9,587]

6 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

How come getting Southampton promoted to the EPL but failing to keep them there is seen as failure for Russell Martin but getting Leeds relegated then promoted to the EPL is seen as success for our new owners? 

 

I might be wrong, but weren't our new owners minority shareholders when Leeds were relegated?

[Rousseau 12,083]

49 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

How come getting Southampton promoted to the EPL but failing to keep them there is seen as failure for Russell Martin but getting Leeds relegated then promoted to the EPL is seen as success for our new owners? 

 

Fans have already made up their mind, which is fair enough. 

 

I just wish they could articulate their reasons, rather than going on vibes. 

[Rousseau 12,083]

Thelwell: “[The search for a new manager] has been progressing well, and the club and I look forward to bringing that to a conclusion in the coming days."

[DMAA 3,760]

2 hours ago, Rousseau said:

What's real success at Mk Dons, Swansea and So'ton, though?

It’s a fair question. 
 

MK Dons

Pass marks for steering them from relegation the first season and lifting them to 13th the next season. They finished 3rd after he left.
Hard to judge without knowing more about it. Certainly looks a decent achievement, without being outstanding. 
 

Swansea

Finished 6th and 4th the seasons before Martin, conceding 53 and 39. Martin took them from 4th and 39 GA to 15th and 68 GA (74% increase in goals conceded). Second season 10th and 64 GA. 5 points better than first season. After he left, Swansea finished 14th but only conceded a more normal 57. 
I’d say not really a success. 
Major red flags there for me too, specifically for Rangers.

 

Southampton

Newly relegated after a long time in the EPL, so definitely expected to bounce back up. Finished 4th conceding a lot more than teams around them again, 63, showing it wasn’t a Swansea problem. Gained promotion via the playoffs so of course he has to get credit for getting it over the line. And it suggests he certainly has something about him as a manager. But for me, more red flags, and I think Southampton expected top 2 having the second highest wage budget and it went down to the playoffs, which is a bit like penalties in terms of uncertainty. 
EPL season, won’t judge him too much other than to say he certainly didn’t surprise anyone did he? Almost record breakingly bad whilst being 17th in terms of wage budget.  
 

Is it a bad record? No. Just some red flags in my opinion, especially in terms of whether he is a good match for Rangers. 

Edited Monday at 13:08 by DMAA

[Sutton_blows_goats 6,460]

13 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Thelwell: “[The search for a new manager] has been progressing well, and the club and I look forward to bringing that to a conclusion in the coming days."

As long as its not Rousseau Martin i'll be happy.

[Gonzo79 15,507]

52 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I just wish they could articulate their reasons

His record elsewhere is unimpressive, his style of football is old hat (and boring to watch) and he refuses to change it, no matter how badly it's going.  

[Bluedell 6,269]

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

How come getting Southampton promoted to the EPL but failing to keep them there is seen as failure for Russell Martin but getting Leeds relegated then promoted to the EPL is seen as success for our new owners? 

 

With regards Martin, it was more the nature of the results rather than the relegation itself. 5 points from 16 games, with a team that looked relatively disorganised and kept making the same mistakes. 

 

Kieran McKenna's team was relegated but Ipswich's approach to the season was totally different to Southampton's.

 

49ers Enterprises took over Leeds in Sept 2023 (after they had been relegated), and they lost to Southampton in the play-off final and then won the Championship the following year, so showed progression.

 

Their running of Leeds hasn't been all roses but there's enough there to suggest that it's going to be more positive than it's been over the past couple of seasons and appear to be running the club in a professional manner, and have put cash into the club already with more to come, to develop the stadium. 

[L72 461]

55 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Thelwell: “[The search for a new manager] has been progressing well, and the club and I look forward to bringing that to a conclusion in the coming days."

Translation: we've got our manager and you'll know in a few days.

[Rousseau 12,083]

3 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

His record elsewhere is unimpressive, his style of football is old hat (and boring to watch) and he refuses to change it, no matter how badly it's going.  

Thank you.

 

I would disagree, and that's fine. 

[Rousseau 12,083]

It seems like it's down to Ancelotti and Martin. 

 

I think you know what you get with Martin, good and bad, which I think would be effective against the bread and butter. Ancelotti is a complete unknown. There's maybe a bigger upside with Ancelotti, but it's a gamble.

 

To be fair, it would be a brave decision to go against the fans' overriding negative feelings towards Martin, which could push the decision towards Ancelotti on its own.