Rangers can seal a 'Bosman' transfer to English League, says legal expert

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Give people a chance to react to complaints before labelling stuff as pathetic - Frankie

Edited February 7, 2013 by Frankie

[kuznetsov 0]

Sorry for using your post Craig but I would like to know where I called anyone a Tim.

My pick of words was your beautiful Celtic. I never mentioned for a second I thought Kuznetsov was a tim.

 

Kuznetsof has just had a number of posts telling us how Celtics 60.000 seater stadium is better than ours, how they have a bigger fan base than us, and how their management team are better than ours. Maybe I should not have said his beautiful Celtic but his better than us Celtic

 

do you even read your own stuff before you post?

 

and the three things you bring up are facts that cannot be argued against sadly and the sooner our fans accept that the quicker we can all move onto catching up with them.

[Frankie 8,951]

Those things can be argued against though.

 

Their stadium is bigger but not better IMO. Our average attendances - home and away -are better. Their management team are pretty much untested in a like-for-like situation domestically.

 

There are many things I admire about the way Celtic is run as a club but there's a difference between pointing out areas of improvement and making subjective generalisations for effect!

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Right lets get away from the Troll bit it's pointless.

 

On the Celtic bit they are miles ahead of us at the moment, it hurts to say it but they are. Business wise they have a firm grip on everything they do and they have one of the best youth set ups in the country. They could slip into the EPL and hold their own mid table, we would struggle at conference level at the moment.

 

Not based on producing players for their first team they don't which surely must be the stick all youth set-ups are measured against.

 

Last night's Scotland starting side contained 4 graduates of Rangers youth set-up, 2 from Celtic, 2 from Hibs, 1 from Hearts, 1 Kilmarnock and 1 from Arbroath.

On that reckoning their youth set-up is twice as good as Arbroaths and half as good as ours!

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Not based on producing players for their first team they don't which surely must be the stick all youth set-ups are measured against.

 

Last night's Scotland starting side contained 4 graduates of Rangers youth set-up, 2 from Celtic, 2 from Hibs, 1 from Hearts, 1 Kilmarnock and 1 from Arbroath.

On that reckoning their youth set-up is twice as good as Arbroaths and half as good as ours!

 

So boys who started with us 15 years ago when we had a youth system are doing well, shock horror. Take a look through the Scotland teams of all ages today and see how many you find from Rangers compared to Celtic and the rest and tell me we have a good youth system.

 

And do you really want to hold Rangers up as the example of how bringing its youth through into first team players.

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Those things can be argued against though.

 

Their stadium is bigger but not better IMO. Our average attendances - home and away -are better. Their management team are pretty much untested in a like-for-like situation domestically.

 

There are many things I admire about the way Celtic is run as a club but there's a difference between pointing out areas of improvement and making subjective generalisations for effect!

 

i am sure i didnt say it was better, the size is the issue., we may have higher ave attendances right now but our tickets are £16, theirs are almost £30. understandable of course given our respective levels atm. they also had average attendances for a full decade of around 58000. the financial gulf began to show during this time and it only grew. their management team have been tested more than ours i would say.

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So boys who started with us 15 years ago when we had a youth system are doing well, shock horror. Take a look through the Scotland teams of all ages today and see how many you find from Rangers compared to Celtic and the rest and tell me we have a good youth system.

 

Lewis McLeod was named in the original squad but had to withdraw but i agree,1 (2) players out of 40 named is a shocking statistic and is a reflection of the current set-up.

Even more worrying was the recent U16 squad which contained only 2 Rangers but 9 Celtic players. Elfideldos recent posts regarding both game time & players requesting moves away should have set alarm bells ringing higher up in the club.

 

I have been saying this for a while, despite a few players playing in the third division this season. Our standard of player has fell behind Celtic, Hearts and now Aberdeen. I've not just said, I have presented evidence in how we have failed.

 

The players we have paid fee for and released without getting a youth contract,which is around a DOZEN under the current regime.

 

The players that been released and then progressed to Scotland youth squads with their new clubs, current count is around TEN.

 

An the latest is the lack of competitive game time for out 17-19 year olds, who don't know from week to week where their next (bounce) game is !! Ironically we do have a decent batch of 16 & 17 year olds but a lack of competitive football must be hindering their development.

 

This is causing great frustration and some have asked to be released, just heard that one such request has been granted. I'll watch with interest where he goes now and how he progresses.

 

Kenwyne Jones played centre half in the game he played at Murray Park, with another two from Trinidad a goalkeeper and can't quite remember the other. Rangers were interested in signing Jones but couldn't agree a fee with his club. But he definately played in centre of defence.

 

I certainly know they want Charlie Telfer, but look at it from his perspective. What games will he play in between now and May ? What competition will he play in next season if he stays ?

 

A bit of positive late news Rangers Will play in Reserve League Cup. This wasn't on the SFL website a couple of days ago. Time will tell if the 18-20 age group will get much game time in this competition.

 

Fixtures not on the Rangers website yet.

 

RESERVE LEAGUE CUP - SEASON 2012/13

Fixtures will start week commencing Monday, 11th February, 2013.

East Section – This section will consist of five clubs each playing their respective opponents twice, (giving each club a total of eight matches), resulting in each club having two free weeks. Thereafter, the top two clubs in this section will proceed to the Semi-Finals which will be played over one leg with the winner of each Semi-Final tie contesting the Final, again over one leg.

West Section - This section will consist of eight clubs each playing their respective opponents once, (giving each club a total of seven matches). Thereafter, the top two clubs in this section will proceed to the Semi-Finals which will be played over one leg with the winner of each Semi-Final tie contesting the Final, again over one leg.

Semi-Finals

Winner of East Section v Runner-up of West Section

Winner of West Section v Runner-up of East Section

These matches are scheduled to take place w/c Monday, 22nd April, 2013.

Final – This match is scheduled to take place on Monday, 29th April, 2013 and the Draw to determine the home club will be made in due course.

EAST SECTION

Cowdenbeath

 

East Fife

 

Livingston

 

Raith Rovers

 

Stenhousemuir

WEST SECTION

Airdrie United

 

Annan Athletic

 

Ayr United

 

Morton

 

Partick Thistle

 

Queen of the South

 

Queen's Park

 

Rangers

There was an SFL under 19 league, Rangers didn't enter it. Like the Reserve League it consisted og 14 teams playing each other once. Queen's Park won it with only Airdrie providing a challenge, Livingston who have been decent at this level in recent years didn't enter either. Overall standard wouldn't have been great but we could have fielded a younger team U18 for example.

 

There is an SFL U19 League Cup which starts soon, we didn't enter that either.It has a similar format to the Reserve League Cup. Hamilton Accies have entered and they should be one of the favourites with QP & Airdrie.

 

Mcgregor, Hutton, Adam and Burke were all a very long time before the current system. Unfortunately the system that produced these players was dismantled long ago.

 

Scotland U21's and U19's were also playing tonight, that is a more accurate reflection of where we are now. Over the two squads we have ONE representative in Barrie McKay. A player that never came through our system but came through Kilmarnock's.

 

The squads include three players who were at Rangers and were released by the current regime, Murray Wallace (Huddersfield), Mark O'Hara (Kilmarnock) and Darren Petrie (Dundee United). This is regular feature of Scotland squads at youth level. No doubt someone will tell us its an SFA vendetta.

 

Over these two squads Celtic, Hearts, Dundee United, Kilmarnock and Partick Thistle are better represented.

 

 

 

a few different posts by jcb and elfideldo on rm. very worrying indeed.

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Can we stick to the topic please? - Frankie

Edited February 7, 2013 by Frankie

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So boys who started with us 15 years ago when we had a youth system are doing well, shock horror. Take a look through the Scotland teams of all ages today and see how many you find from Rangers compared to Celtic and the rest and tell me we have a good youth system.

 

And do you really want to hold Rangers up as the example of how bringing its youth through into first team players.

 

It's not the point, the claims are about how Celtic's youth system is one of the best in the country. I disagree with your claim, I see no proof of that. Their current first team has barely a youth graduate in it. We can point at Scotland schoolboy or youth teams all we want that proves very little frankly. Producing first team players should be the goal and our record is as good as anyone in Scotland's just now for that. If, in 4 or so years time the Celtic first team has 4 or 5 youth graduates holding down first team places then I'll accept their system is working, but their is no evidence it is just now. I used last nights Scotland starting XI simply to illustrate the point that youth development should be measured on graduates not potential or money being thrown at it.

I'm fairly certain our youth set-up could be improved, but I'm not buying that Celtic's is somehow superior. Time will be the judge of that.

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It's not the point, the claims are about how Celtic's youth system is one of the best in the country. I disagree with your claim, I see no proof of that. Their current first team has barely a youth graduate in it. We can point at Scotland schoolboy or youth teams all we want that proves very little frankly. Producing first team players should be the goal and our record is as good as anyone in Scotland's just now for that. If, in 4 or so years time the Celtic first team has 4 or 5 youth graduates holding down first team places then I'll accept their system is working, but their is no evidence it is just now. I used last nights Scotland starting XI simply to illustrate the point that youth development should be measured on graduates not potential or money being thrown at it.

I'm fairly certain our youth set-up could be improved, but I'm not buying that Celtic's is somehow superior. Time will be the judge of that.

 

Lets just say I'm lost for words and leave it at that.