Tannochsidebear 2,321 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We can play all the defensive midfielders we have all at once, it isnt going to change the fact that W&K (as dumb & dumber seems to be frowned upon) cannot defend and continually give up good chances. As one of over 30 examples gathered over the last year, take the most recent one. While the start of the move brings errors from others, when Kiernan goes out to block the man, he turns his back instead of staying strong, hence the deflection towards McDonald. Watch McDonald and Wilson together as the move develops. Wilson is tight on him as the ball comes into the box, then when Kiernan does his big fairy routine, McDonald peels off and Wilson is standing still ball-watching. Its really really bad defending from both of them, and its not an isolated incident. Neither are making good decisions in their play, and neither are good defenders. Both are still fairly young, but should have enough experience to do the basics properly at this level. I was delighted at Wilson's re-signing, but it has gone terribly wrong for him and he looks no more a defender than Jig before him. Very sad to see a lad who had so much potential that Liverpool paid £5M for him in the days when that was still a meaty sum. Something clearly went very wrong with him, and we should be cutting our losses and getting rid. I was hoping the introduction of the experienced Hill would bring a calm head and a leader to the defence alongside either Wilson or Kiernan and we would see both players improve on their dismal first seasons. The fact Warburton is not even playing Hill despite W&K being so poor is even more worrying. We seen the same last season when Ball seemed to be most fans first pick at centre half but MW thought different, despite the evidence in front of him. No team wins a competitive title with a poor defence. Ever. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We can play all the defensive midfielders we have all at once, it isnt going to change the fact that W&K (as dumb & dumber seems to be frowned upon) cannot defend and continually give up good chances. As one of over 30 examples gathered over the last year, take the most recent one. While the start of the move brings errors from others, when Kiernan goes out to block the man, he turns his back instead of staying strong, hence the deflection towards McDonald. Watch McDonald and Wilson together as the move develops. Wilson is tight on him as the ball comes into the box, then when Kiernan does his big fairy routine, McDonald peels off and Wilson is standing still ball-watching. Its really really bad defending from both of them, and its not an isolated incident. Neither are making good decisions in their play, and neither are good defenders. Both are still fairly young, but should have enough experience to do the basics properly at this level. I was delighted at Wilson's re-signing, but it has gone terribly wrong for him and he looks no more a defender than Jig before him. Very sad to see a lad who had so much potential that Liverpool paid £5M for him in the days when that was still a meaty sum. Something clearly went very wrong with him, and we should be cutting our losses and getting rid. I was hoping the introduction of the experienced Hill would bring a calm head and a leader to the defence alongside either Wilson or Kiernan and we would see both players improve on their dismal first seasons. The fact Warburton is not even playing Hill despite W&K being so poor is even more worrying. We seen the same last season when Ball seemed to be most fans first pick at centre half but MW thought different, despite the evidence in front of him. No team wins a competitive title with a poor defence. Ever. We won the Championship last year with the same two guys :fish: 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,185 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Fair enough,fwiw,i wasnt the one who said"a wee bit earlier" it was you-----i was quoting your previous post. Ah, now I see what you mean.. Edited August 22, 2016 by Frankie 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooponthewing 1,139 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 You can bet your bottom dollar that after the cut we will have an extra away game against Hearts or Aberdeen. They wouldn't dare to make it Parkhead. Would They????? I hope not Pete? Those of us sitting in Broamloan have already paid the premium for the two games at home. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,185 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We can play all the defensive midfielders we have all at once, it isnt going to change the fact that W&K (as dumb & dumber seems to be frowned upon) cannot defend and continually give up good chances. As one of over 30 examples gathered over the last year, take the most recent one. While the start of the move brings errors from others, when Kiernan goes out to block the man, he turns his back instead of staying strong, hence the deflection towards McDonald. Watch McDonald and Wilson together as the move develops. Wilson is tight on him as the ball comes into the box, then when Kiernan does his big fairy routine, McDonald peels off and Wilson is standing still ball-watching. Its really really bad defending from both of them, and its not an isolated incident. Neither are making good decisions in their play, and neither are good defenders. Both are still fairly young, but should have enough experience to do the basics properly at this level. I was delighted at Wilson's re-signing, but it has gone terribly wrong for him and he looks no more a defender than Jig before him. Very sad to see a lad who had so much potential that Liverpool paid £5M for him in the days when that was still a meaty sum. Something clearly went very wrong with him, and we should be cutting our losses and getting rid. I was hoping the introduction of the experienced Hill would bring a calm head and a leader to the defence alongside either Wilson or Kiernan and we would see both players improve on their dismal first seasons. The fact Warburton is not even playing Hill despite W&K being so poor is even more worrying. We seen the same last season when Ball seemed to be most fans first pick at centre half but MW thought different, despite the evidence in front of him. No team wins a competitive title with a poor defence. Ever. Everyone (including the manager) appreciates the central defence isn't good enough and, as much as we're all frustrated, I think we can criticise them without the unnecessary name-calling. For example, time after time on Saturday, Kiernan allowed Scott McDonald to push him off the ball. 90% of the time it was a foul but Bobby Madden is hopeless so couldn't make up his mind whether to give one or not. It wasn't until around the 80th minute before Joey Barton did what Kiernan should have and (fairly) stiffened McDonald. We are too powderpuff at times and we seem to lack leaders on the field in some situations and allow teams to bully us. It's no wonder we then concede soft goals from set pieces. However, it's not all bad and we have to appreciate mistakes will be made now and again. And until we sign this new defender, we're going to have to grin and bear it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,455 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Once again watching STV tea time news yesterday,Monday,no mention of Rangers retaining top spot in the league,plenty chat about Hibs,Hearts & them!,for weeks now they never mention Rangers!. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,185 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Once again watching STV tea time news yesterday,Monday,no mention of Rangers retaining top spot in the league,plenty chat about Hibs,Hearts & them!,for weeks now they never mention Rangers!. You're probably watching the East version as basically your aerial decides what version of some programmes (e.g. news and adverts) you get. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,455 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) You're probably watching the East version as basically your aerial decides what version of some programmes (e.g. news and adverts) you get. C****c though?,it's been happening for weeks mate!,never any mention of Rangers,we know BBC don't,just wondering what the problem is with STV!. Especially when covering the SPL!,and especially on a Monday after the results of the weekend! Edited August 23, 2016 by ian1964 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,249 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Going back to leadership as I have said in previous posts I think Wallace is a good player and deserving of being club captain but is not forceful enough on the park and lacks organising skills so we need a team leader on the pitch. Having said that all players should be advising each other but not to the detriment of concentration which is the big concern. IMO Wilson lacked or showed a non desire to play in premier league last season by leaving Hearts and again IMO the championship is his level as I doubt he will ever show his early potential unless he plays alongside someone of Davy Weir's class. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 We're dooooomed If leading a pis poor league is not much cause for celebration I'm assuming you'll not be celebrating if we win the same piss poor league? As I was saying. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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