The Summer 2023 Rangers Transfer Window Rumours and Deals - Thread

[DMAA 3,603]

25 minutes ago, Devil's advocaat said:

I remember we signed a certain Dane who had struggled in Italian Football, and he turned out not too bad.

Lammers’ career bears no resemblance whatsoever to Laudrup’s though, let’s be honest. The 3 foreigner rule worked against Laudrup at AC Milan. But he played his part (in an team who scored 36 in 34 games) and ended that season with a Serie A winners medal and a Champions League winner. 

[Sutton_blows_goats 4,321]

24 minutes ago, PoohBear said:

Like I said previously though, it doesn’t mean he can’t be a success. He can’t come here and expect to be coming up with those numbers though, he’ll be taken apart by the crowd.

Absolutely. Due to the defensive nature of Italian football I'd take any stats there with a pinch of salt. If he were to come here where we dominate and need to win 3-0 most weeks, yes he needs to produce the goods.

[Malangsob 1,216]

So it's Lammers eh? 

 

I hope this guy understands what he is getting into.

 

I don't think many do.

 

We shall see.

 

 

 

 

 

[Rousseau 9,486]

I think we're all losing sight of the fact that we still need a goalscorer. 

[Devil's advocaat 1,286]

21 minutes ago, DMAA said:

Lammers’ career bears no resemblance whatsoever to Laudrup’s though, let’s be honest. The 3 foreigner rule worked against Laudrup at AC Milan. But he played his part (in an team who scored 36 in 34 games) and ended that season with a Serie A winners medal and a Champions League winner. 

Absolutely, but my point is, his stats must have been pretty grim reading. The realists amongst us could see he was a player, but if we'd had access to XG, XD etc, I'm pretty sure lots would have been calling him down as well.

[Frankie 8,182]

The problem we have is we don't really play with a poacher in our side and haven't done so in a long time. Morelos, Roofe and Sakala can all score goals but all were expected to work outside the box to link the play and this will be true for any new signing. Even Colak - arguably a more recognised penalty box type goal-scorer - was having to adapt his game before he got injured. Further back, Jelavic, Miller and Prso also had to link the play with only Boyd the kind of poacher some fans think we need.  Worth noting neither of those players were hardly prolific before they signed but it was their overall quality that seen them arrive and they did score goals.

 

In that sense, it's not a surprise to see any linked players perhaps not have the out and out goal-scorer label we'd like to see. That's not to say we won't sign one as well as a Lammers and/or a Dessers but it's probably unlikely.

 

By way of comparison, Celtic do use more of a poacher in their team and there's no doubt Kyogo has been a fine signing. Would he fit into our style of play? Can we afford a luxury number 9 (both financially and tactically)? Or do you spread your bet into 2-3 players who can all contribute?

 

I don't have the answer unfortunately but I do know signing the correct forward players and turning our possession/chance stats into more goals will be a key part of any success coming our way next season. I'm sure the manager is just as aware...

[PoohBear 1,083]

27 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I'll go through it. 

 

I'm only going by the facts of his last season: 2 goals in 25 games, over two loan spells. That looks bad. But, it's only bad if he's getting hundreds of chances. If he's only getting a couple of chances, then no one - not even Haaland - will score a lot.

 

I'm then looking at his xG: The quality of the chances he has had. His xG for the season was 4: from the quality and quantity of the he's had, he should have scored 4. 

 

So, he is under-performing, but it's not atrocious. 

 

My other point was he looks like a pressing forward: good presser, good defensive numbers and a good link-up player. Those types don't necessarily score a lot - Firmino, for example; he scored 10-15 goals a season. (I'm not saying he's as good as Firmino, just that he looks that style of player.)

 

That's all I'm saying. 

Why only look at the last season though? It's been three years of no return, that's not a blip its consistently terrible. I hope Beale has been scouting him recently and isn't buying based on what he remembers from years past. I'm sure he's done his due diligence but it is a worry.

[PoohBear 1,083]

13 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Absolutely. Due to the defensive nature of Italian football I'd take any stats there with a pinch of salt. If he were to come here where we dominate and need to win 3-0 most weeks, yes he needs to produce the goods.

Thing is he's been in Germany too and had scant return there either.

[Scott7 5,233]

You can only score from the chances that are given. Fair enough.
 

Is a forward player supposed to be able create his own chances (Laudrup) or just bang in goals from chances created by others (Flo)?

 

What if a player doesn’t get many chances because he can’t read the play or is too slow to move? Nonetheless, he scores two goals in a season from two chances. What a striker! 100% conversion rate.

[Rousseau 9,486]

23 minutes ago, PoohBear said:

Why only look at the last season though? It's been three years of no return, that's not a blip its consistently terrible. I hope Beale has been scouting him recently and isn't buying based on what he remembers from years past. I'm sure he's done his due diligence but it is a worry.

Just because it's more work. I can give you the data but I'm not converting it all:

 

2018/19: 0.37 goals per 90 from an xG of 0.34 per 90.

 

2019/20: 0 g/90 from xG of 0.2 p/90. (I think he was injured this season?)

 

2020/21: (I don't have this data. It's 2 goals in 15 games, but I don't have the xG data to tell us the quality of the chances he had.)

 

2021/22: 0.17 g/90 from an xG of 0.19 p/90.

 

2022/23: 0.09 g/90 from an xG of 0.22 p/90.

 

Just compare the emboldened numbers. If we were to judge each season: 18/19, very good; 19/20, very bad; 20/21, don't know; 21/22, good; 22/23, OK.