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But could we afford them big fees big wages i think the then owners the Lawrence group realized that and maybe that was one of the reasons for selling to Murray

We had Terry Butcher, Chris Woods, Roberts, Trevor and Gary Stevens, Ray Wilkins, It's well documented Souness' signing policy when he came to us was to lure top English internationals because of the Heysel ban in Europe. So I don't think it's wide of the mark to suggest we effectively signed the England team, it was even reported. Philosophy culture, jargon. He signed high level players and dragged everything up.

It's concerning that we're using Ferguson and Souness (two proper old school brutal bastards) as examples of the sort of culture we want, when we've brought in Russell Martin as head coach. Martin, who has done nothing of note, stated he'd rather lose playing the right way and whose dad is a yahoo. So, as things stand, the terminology smacks of hollow jargon. Hopefully it doesn't remain so.

Woods had played one friendly for England before joining Rangers, Butcher wasn't England captain when he joined us, Ipswich had just been relegated too. Colin Wast never played international football and Roberts was never an England regular. Jimmy Nicholl was winding down his career in Canada when he signed for us that time. Butcher was a brilliant player and Woods and Roberts a big improvement on what we had before, but to suggest we added the Englad team is well wide of the mark.

He knows the club. He knows the league. He would do a job.

At least we've established that Alex Ferguson was a liar. 😀

I don't think I am. Rangers don't accept failure. We've fired 3 full time managers since our last title win, that's the opposite of accepting failure, it's literally not accepting it. Our squad has two players left from the squad that played in the Europa League final (Tav and Leon King), again this is the exact opposite of accepting failure. We've changed managers, coaches, tactics, styles and players without success. There isn't an acceptance of failure at Rangers, from the support to the manager to the players. That doesn't mean we won't fail, clearly. I've reservations about our owners however creating a new 'culture' at the club, for me, makes perfect sense. The previous culture wasn't working. When Martin speaks about players 'adding culturally' he's talking about how they'll fit, their personality, are they open to his ideas and how the directors see the club. Harking back to Man Utd under Ferguson. Ferguson created a siege mentality, that somehow the authorities favoured Liverpool and the London clubs over Man Utd. This was of course bullshit. Ferguson needed players who would buy this though, who'd believe it as true and use it to motivate themselves. Ferguson recognised that some players, mainly experienced players who had been at other english sides would recognise this as the nonsense it was. Whereas young players and players from outside England would accept it as true because he told them it. Culturally he needed players who would be open to this. So much of top flight sport is psychological. Culture feeds into that, creates the environment where players can become a team that can win the title.

Or we could stop looking at ex-Rangers players. Max Aarons looks to be joining - I doubt we'll bring in another RB, particularly with Tav sticking around.

Everton are bringing in a new right back maybe we should ask about Patterson maybe even a Loan

So..we signed decent players? You do a disservice to Chris Woods, England Goalkeeper, Terry Butcher England Captain, Colin West England international, Jimmy Nichols Northern Ireland international, formerly of Man United, Graham Roberts England International. Souness basically added the England national team including it's captain, and dragged the standards up. What I've said throughout this discussion, you build the team in the image you want, you don't sign players and impose that image on them.

So a lot boils down to the manager. I don't think it's just me - I haven't watched one second of a Russell Martin interview. He looks beige, culturally speaking.

Chris Woods had won a 2nd division title at Norwich. Terry Butcher was in the Ipswich side that won a UEFA Cup five years before he joined Rangers. Colin West hadn't won anything, Jimmy Nicholl won an FA Cup 10 years earlier. We weren't signing guys who were used to winning the league, none of main signings had won a title in their careers before joining us. The existing Rangers squad had players who had won cups before, so Souness didn't add "winners", he changed the mentality of the players he signed and the players he inherited. This is why culture is important, get it right and it can make ordinary players good and good players great.

No, he worked in Hillington for a well known company. That well known I’ve forgot what it was called😂. Remington Rand who made typewriters, in Hillingdon Estate.

His ego is massive. I, too, declare my desire to sign for Barcelona.

Yeah, that's fair, he was an apprentice toolmaker, his father was a shipbuilder.

Rashford wants to go to Barcelona I don't think he's good enough for them

I see Everton are bringing in a new right back maybe we should be sounding them out about the availability of Patterson as a signing even a Loan.

I thought he led an apprentices' strike? Was that not in a shipyard?

“Ferguson recognised this, he was a Clydeside shipbuilder.” SAF never worked in a shipyard.

I well remember that season too. I was living in Coventry at that time and used to travel up and back on a Saturday to Ibrox. There was a British Rail special ticket for £10 only available on Saturdays. Though I did not know we were paying lower wages than Aberdeen.

So we signed decent players? You've said a lot, but it basically breaks down to Souness added winners to drag the standards up.

100% Gonzo.

I think you are missing the context of how it has been used by Martin and the new owners. Basically, we need to replace the acceptance of failure in the squad - everyone is aware of that.

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