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Guy next to me is a bit of an auld fella. An optimistic.

 

Rothen reached a stage tonight where fans around us were booing his every touch.. the auld fella shouted to one of them to go home if they were just there to boo players.

 

Fair play.

 

The third goal goes in.

 

'Come on Rangers.. one goal and we're back in this'.

 

The 4th goes in.

 

'I can't take this..'

 

He said it with the sound of genuine heartache and he got up and left.. I know deep down he didn't want to and I dare say he never does leave early.. but it just goes to show how heartwrenching watching something like that is even to the most optimistic of fan.

I actually felt like my heart had been ripped out of my body , and the worst thing was all the anger and frustration that I used t feel when I was younger just wasn't there any more , it was more a realisation that this is what we have become , watching a team that is badly managed from top to bottom , with no vision , no real sense of being or of purpose , I mean really what is the point on Rangers Football Club as we stand just now , we really are treading in a sea of quicksand and we are going in one direction only

Wattie has continually talked about building a team around his best striker yet doesn't play him , we have one proper center half supplemented with a 39 year old , we continually play players out of position wide right and wide left whilst youth is a waste of time , if I was John Flecks advisors I would be looking for any way out asap as its only a matter of time till we waste him

I don't remember much about 9 in a row, but am i not sure we don't great one season in europe ( but got cheated ) then the rest we done pants while we kept winning the league.

Trust me i would rather win the league every year than trying to make europe tremble us !

Romania, not a country you would expect amazing things from. In current times now though, improved facilitied plus a much much much bigger nation than Scotland, they have probably got some of the best players in romania and no doubt play for the national team.

God sake, barca got beat at home 2-1 tonight, it's europe, any team you play against will be tough

But you miss the point, we lack the very basics , that every other small team from all over europe have in abundance , the ability to pass and move , to control the ball and move your opponents about to create chances .

Firstly we dont even play to our own teams strength's , we continually play players out of position and whilst unfit , we have no belief in youth and never have , the basic tactical ideas that we watch every week even from smaller scottish teams is something that bypasses us , we have no creative spark from set plays and even throwins cause us problems , their first goal came from our throw in that we lost control of .

If i was Walter, wait it wouldn't suprise me if Walter done this.

 

But locked them all in a room for a good few hours and just tore right into every single one of them !

Last year i thought the players wearing the shirt knew what it was about ! It seems like they have became alienated !

 

They are living our dream, im sure McCoist & Durrant wouldn't have been best pleased. We have 3 Rangers men there who will drum this in to them ( well i hope so ).

 

Get them into the training ground, get the basics right and lets see what happends.

Why the hell do we continually have to have legends drumming into players what it means to play for Rangers , I would settle for simply getting good players and teaching them good drills to improve on the tacticts that the team attempts to play .

Instead we keep going back to this drivel about our club being special when it is plain to see we are not , for fuck's sake we have just been humiliated by a team from a city with a population of 17000 , this was their first ever win in europe, we were absolutely useless , the basics have been missing all season , we beat celtic woohoo , europe must be trembling.

Quick get into another league and throw money at the team , never mind addressing the problem

The people who made Rangers great were actually people like Wilton, Struth and Symon .... and some of our more enlightened directors .... and the teams who played for them. Take their achievements away and there wouldn't be anyone sitting in the stands. Rangers are a football club and, while it might be comforting to think so, success isn't measured by how staunch the fans are or how long we sit it out when the chips are down. In my experience, Rangers fans are actually as fickle as any and I've seen plenty of times when Rangers fans voted with their feet.

 

BTW, I'm told there's booing these days at some away games - you can't describe those guys are part time fans.

very very well put , we need to remember we are meant to be a football club first and all the other stuff isn't really important in the bigger picture as far as I am concerned

I am utterly ashamed to say this , but for the first time ever in over 30 years I left early , we were utterly useless , no shape , no desire , no tactical ability .

The basic's of passing and movement , the ability to recieve and give a pass whilst aware of what is happening around them is totally alien to this bunch of players . Yes we may be able to do it for small spells of certain games but we lack the basics and that is where we fall short in the training department .

Walter may be and probably is a legend but he is also a dinasour , his belief that , and I quote " tactics are overrated , modern players just need a good enviroment to play in " , utter pish , but that's his beliefs , he is the man who has spent over �£20 million on this team

As someone who was a seaso ticket holder from 84 till 2007 , yes and unfortunately I cannot see it getting any better .Partly our fault poor scouting , no vision and preparation when we were well on top , and partly the league we are in .

However no matter what league we are in there is no excuse for the way we play the majority of times , from set play's to general movement at times we seem a million miles off , must be the management and that is no cheap dig I mean that

cant find that thread , when was it posted , approx

Why do we need so many representational organisations? Why would we want to pay subscriptions to the RSA when we already have the option to do the same to the RST? What is it you think the RSA could do that the RST couldn't?

 

Isn't what we really need a strong and effective Supporters Trust? We have what we need, it's just been a dysfunctional mess so far.

 

What I can't see any point of is the RSA, never have.

Have to say I totally agree with your comments , I always believed the RSA were set up to diminish any form of strength that the RST was gathering, Murray aint stupid

Ok - one reply and one in agreement so far.

 

So lets assume part of the goal, apart from the RSA actively being involved in promoting share ownership, is to be a self funded organisation.

 

If the tick and flick box, also opts to give the RSA 5-10 quid each year to assist with running the organisation would you then opt-in for this?

Is this instead of the club paying or part paying for the running of the RSA , to be honest I think we might end up with too many supporters groups and I done really know what the RSA actually stand for .

Following on from the other RST thread but looking at a different scenario.

 

If the RSA, with the consent of Rangers FC and the support of the RST (hypothetical), decided to try to reach the wider support through Gersave becoming a mainstream opt-in system through a tick and flick box on the season ticket renewal would you support it.

 

Discuss :box:

Definetly I actually sent this idea to the trust a couple of years ago , but they were in the midst of really bad rerlations with the club so I dont know if it was ever proposed . I also thought about every season ticket holder being offered the chance to join the trust through the same means as you proposed , it just takes a bit of imagination on the clubs part

The RST AGM was held in the WRC last Sunday, and this is a brief report for those members who couldn�t make it.

 

There were 10 board members and 16 other members attending.

 

The Chairman, Stephen Smith (SS), highlighted the areas that the RST has been working on:

 

� The forthcoming Gerspride conference

� The Erskine appeal

� The Sam English project

� The Founders Project

 

SS had been in touch with the Rangers Financial Director, Donald McIntyre, about the next payment of Gersave cash to the club, but McIntyre had requested it be moved until after the AGM as it was ââ?¬Å?price sensitiveââ?¬Â. (Could it be that the club donââ?¬â?¢t want it to interfere with any sale of shares to a new consortium?)

The Board undertook to issue the AGM minutes on a more timely basis.

 

The accounts showed a small deficit of �£149 for the year, and this was explained as being because the annual dinner was held after the end of the financial year and some auction prizes had to be scrapped.

 

Three board resignations (Cameron Bell, George Gilmour and Stevie Tyrie) were announced. Applications had been received from three members (Alan Harris, Gordon Stewart and Grant MacCalman) and they were voted in (the latter in his absence).

 

Other issues raised and discussed were:

 

� RST membership numbers and how these could be increased. Lapsed members were going to be contacted for one last time to see if they would be interested in rejoining.

� What it would take to get the support mobilised

� Biased press reporting from the BBC

Was there any news on when the AGM will be held

Go back and listen to it again. He actually says next to nothing and certainly nowhere near enough to get excited about. Have we really become so desperate for good news that we're going to do the performing seals act every time Alistair Johnston opens his mouth? He made pleasant noises, which is what you would expect from a new chairman introducing himself to the Rangers public. But that's all.

 

Where he differs from Murray is that he's a bona fide Rangers man and that must count for something. But please, let's judge this guy on his actions. Years of swallowing bullshit from Murray must at least teach us the merits of that. When Alistair Johnston finds a credible new owner will be time enough to wave flags.

And that is just why I am convinced he might just do a right good job for us , listen today was a prime opportunity to do a Murray and spout any old rubbish and make promises and statements that he couldn't keep , then bugger off back to the states only to wait till next year to repeat the same old stuff , classic Murray tactics.

What he did today was be very measured , very composed and actually very sensible in what he said , he does seem to have ideas "outside the box" which is something that we have all been screaming for from our board , a bit of creativity . Instead of the same old Murray rubbish this guy actually seems to have taken the time to look and think about where we are going wrong , dont write him off just yet.

More positive and dare i say it impressive comments with regards to the future than Murray ever came away with .

Where Murray was all sound bites i believe this guy actually has an idea of where he wants us to be , very very impressed

Are the club going for a record or are we all hoping Santa brings the accounts for xmas , just what is the latest the Agm has ever been held , as this is getting ridiculous

Bad 25 minutes but after that very professional performance and really in the second half we could and possibly should have won it .

Considering that we have lost one of our best defender's and that one of our main midfielders has only played 26 minutes of combatitive football this was an excellent result .

Whittaker was excellent , Naismith was excellent Rothen was better than I ever imagined considering he was on the right wing all night .McCulloch I dof my cap as a stand in center half brilliant very composed , big Madjid get in there my son , mcGregor not a save to make second half ,

get the beers out very happy bear:spl::spl:r

:fish::fish:why dont the pair of you just get a room !!!!!

yes stay or yes go now that is the question !!!!!!!

ahhhh can see where your coming from , they have changed the layout so always click the goals tab , it's really quick as well especially on european nights

sorry didn't realise I needed to post instructions , try clicking the goals tab and scroll down

any bears wanting to check out very good football sites should check this one out .google is your friend :giruy:

If you remember last season the septic were awarded a very dubious penalty against I think Kilmarnock , or possibly St Mirren which was outside but finished inside , and every member of the celtic appreciation society backed the refs decision .

What goes around comes around .

remember it wasn't that long ago when we were the only team getting c/l football that we had a much better team and squad , yet continually getting horsed by Auxerre , grasshoppers , strasbourg etc etc etc back then NIAR was the only game in town , how times have changed

If Arsenal put them out of the CL, they'll still have to play a Europa league qualifier before reaching the group stages. The qualifier will probably be against reasonable opposition well, as I think they'll need to play against one of the other teams that exited the CL qualifiers.

sorry mate but the 4th round is the last play off round , all teams from the c/l that are beaten go straight into the europa league

To be fair to him , he scored some really important goals both at the start and end of last season , also if the manager doesn't pick him then he cannot really be blamed