amms
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What? It was a remark to Tims at the Tim agm, good luck getting him to resign, you've no chance.
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Or, you know, we could laugh it off and treat it with the contempt it deserves.
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Had Rangers released the following statement 'We're delighted to note that Celtic shareholders and their Chief Executive retain a huge interest in Rangers, some things will never change.' we'd have humiliated Lawwell and made our point at the same time.
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I don't really know what you mean SA. As long as they know we react to this they'll say it. Take the power away from them, don't get offended laugh it off.
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Do you think this will stop them then? Nothing will happen here, everyone who isn't a Rangers fan thinks this is funny and our reaction to it is even funnier. We can complain and I agree with those who say Lawwell should never have said it, he shouldn't he should know better, but it was a Tim who asked the question at their AGM. They ask questions about Rangers at the Celtic AGM, but as long as we keep reacting to it they'll keep pushing it.
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It'll look like that to who?
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Lawwell is a classless oaf playing to the gallery. Tims will lap that kind of shite up, but the CEO of Celtic should be above that kind of comment. That being said at some point we're going to need to develop a slightly thicker skin and laugh this kind of stuff off. As long as it so clearly bothers us the longer it will go on. Ultimately who gives a fuck what Lawwell or anyone at Celtic thinks.
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To be fair we don't know that is why. As I said before I can't see why Ross County would acquiesce to Celtic, their owner could buy and sell Celtic if he felt like it, as a club they certainly aren't beholden to anyone else for survival. He was also one of the chairman who voted against the ridiculous reconstruction being forced through last season, despite the three-line-whip from Lawell and Regan. If it had been Dundee Utd or Aberdeen, who are clearly in Celtic's pocket, I'd have little doubt, but Ross County are quite different.
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What does that even mean?
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I'm not sure they did actually say that, a mix up in who was responsible for it seemed to be the issue, although that might be an excuse. I was under the impression it was pressure from Celtic most people were blaming rather than forgetfulness.
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I'm sorry but if we keep looking to blame Tims for our plight we'll never sort it. The people who are responsible for it are us, the people who can fix it are us. Enemies can only do us down if we give them the opportunity, we've been providing opportunities by the bucket load for years now.
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You know things are bad when being an employee of twice bankrupt Dundee FC is described as a 'more settled position'! I wonder if he'd take John Brown with him... :box:
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Malcolm Murray: we need to end the plague of locusts at Ibrox
amms replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
Malcolm Murray was on BBC Radio Scotland tonight (black marks for him appearing on it and for me listening to it...) and he spoke well. He doesn't believe Whyte has any official involvement with the club and was told Blue Pitch are a group 'wealthy Arabs' who don't want publicity and fronted the initial money to Green. He said his issues are a total lack of corporate governance at the club. He doesn't believe the Easedales are running the club, he believes they are acting for another. He was asked directly if we could go into administration again and he said he believes so. His concerns surround the payouts made to our recently departed staff. We were told we'd have a million left by April, he thinks a large chunk of that has now gone too. -
No I don't, I really don't. I've always thought the people to blame were the various owners of Rangers. I could be convinced there was an element of malice in the tax case but beyond that no. I might be a naive fool, time will tell. I'm out of step on lots of subjects mind, as a quick browse of Gersnet alone will testify.
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But we do have that, we have a whole day called Remembrance Sunday dedicated to exactly that, as well as the 11th of November too when that doesn't fall on a Sunday. To say society has to have a clear form of observance is to dismiss the clear forms of observance that have stood us for generations. They do actually not that it really makes much difference to this argument. I'm surprised at your view on this, why not simply make it compulsory then, make everything everywhere stop at 11am on the 11th no matter what, make it law? It goes against everything people gave their lives for but if this is a numbers game then lets push that through. Whether people choose to go to a church service or attend at a war memorial, or watch the big one on TV is very much down to the individual surely, they shouldn't be compelled. It strikes me they seem more in step with society than you. It seems football, and senior football at that, is the only place being put under the spotlight here. There was no breach of decency on Saturday that I can see. No, this is a very recent thing, it wasn't the norm when I was growing up. It clearly hasn't become the norm because at least three clubs, and I suspect actually a lot more in the lower leagues too, didn't do it. Do you seriously think there is any danger of people forgetting? Poppies are ubiquitous on TV for a fortnight, newspapers carry them on their mastheads, advertising campaigns run throughout the country, social media is awash with avatar changes, Wilfred Owen poetry and 'Remembrance' posts, it is taught in schools, broadcast live on TV and Radio and thousands of people make time to attend services of remembrance. I'd argue it has a higher profile now than at anytime in the last 40 years. I wear a poppy, I've explained its significance to my wife, who isn't British and viewed it with some suspicion at first but now also wears one, and I've explained it to my children. I hope they too when old enough will choose to wear one and remember what it means. But I'll be frank, I'm uncomfortable being told I have to remember something, I have to acknowledge something whether I'm told this by government, the media or greater society. People should be free to give thanks how they want, it shouldn't be prescriptive.
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Do you really think Tims have been behind this since day one?
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Well services are held in churches and at war memorials all over the country on Remembrance Sunday, people gather in large numbers at those, it's fairly well established culturally this goes on so I doubt many people are unaware of it. As a society we do remember those who died in war, that's what the poppy is for, that's why we have Remembrance Sunday and then the 11-11-11 services too. It is still taught in schools too as part of compulsory History. The moral imperative is already in place. I could understand clubs playing on Remembrance Sunday being compelled to hold a minutes silence but not the day before. That should be through choice, not compulsion. I'm not sure what 'normal societal rules' have been suspended here. I doubt a minutes silence was held in cinemas, concerts, shopping centres or theatres on Saturday. It's not Rangers supporter's jobs to tell Hibs or whoever what to do. If the British Legion or their local MSP wants to take them to task then that's fine, but for us to complain about something that didn't happen at an event we weren't at is hard for me to square. Had they been playing us and decided not to hold one I think we'd be entitled to ask why.
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My own view, and I've nothing to back it up other than a hunch, is that the SPFL didn't send out an directive to clubs to hold one and that in the past the SPL did. So because of that some clubs chose to hold one and some didn't. The fact Aberdeen and Motherwell did hold one suggests this was a club based choice rather than any pressure being applied. Just my opinion of course. What about in the lower divisions, were minutes silences observed at Dumbarton or Arbroath or Auchinleck? Was any pressure brought to bear there, we're all the same league now after all.
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Surely clubs shouldn't be compelled to hold a minutes silence though? If their own support feel strongly about it they'll complain, if they don't they won't. Much as that might stick in the throat for a lot of people I'm not sure anyone should be forced to remember. We have to be careful here. We should ensure our club carries out the wishes of our support, but what Hibs, St Johnstone or Thistle choose to do is up to them. Nothing is more likely to raise their hackles than being criticised by Rangers supporters. This shouldn't become a political point, there is ample opportunity for people to take part in a remembrance occasion, it doesn't have to be at a football match.
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I've seen it reported that St Johnstone, Hibs and Thistle didn't hold minute's silences either, can anyone confirm that? Of all the clubs in the SPL I think Ross County are the least likely to kowtow to Celtic. They aren't reliant on anyone else's money and have shown they are capable of standing up to Celtic and the league in the past. Plus support for the armed services tends to run pretty deep in towns like Dingwall in my experience, I can't see some Glaswegian being able to convince them to drop their minutes silence. I know it's very suspicious but don't be surprised if this does turn out to be a further example of the amateur way our game is now run.
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So who complains? Celtic supporters complain because the article in the Rangers 'section' is about them or Rangers supporters complain? I'm confused. Ask them to add it to the Celtic section then, or the Ajax one, or the Ross County section...
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Celtic could have chosen to stay the night in Holland, trained on Thursday morning locally then flown home on Thursday afternoon. Amsterdam is only about an hour and half flight away, they'd have been home enjoying dinner with the bosom of their families, or abandoning their children in cars, by tea time. Then train Friday as normal before heading the 3 and a bit hours up the A9 to Dingwall. Not that taxing I'd have thought. Great stuff though, you reap what you sow as you so brilliantly point out. I'm off to the allotment to plant Bluebells.
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I'd also add that the Celtic fans should have known better, after all their record of fighting Dutchmen on horses isn't good...
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A slight diversion but at lunchtime I saw the banner the Ajax fans unfurled at the game the other night. I'm surprised Peter Kearney and Nil By Mouth haven't declared war on Holland. What's funniest about all this is the Tims having to deal with the realisation that they don't have a 'special relationship' with the Ajax. They're struggling with the concept that the supporters of one of Europe's grand old teams view them as just another bunch of football fans. Poor lambs are close to needing therapy.