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Not true. Most on here were ambivalent about Somers until today. But that's a shocking statement for our Chairman to make. Childish name-calling and endorsing Stockbridge as if he's holding the club together and using Irvine to ghost his press release shows such a disregard for the support and the position he holds. How anyone can read that statement and believe it fitting of the Chairman of Rangers astounds me. It shouldn't surprise me, for a while now a section of our own support show more interest in self-harm than anything else.
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So we're unhappy because Celtic's share price has gone up and ours has gone down, meaning that on paper at least they're worth four times what we are? But of all the people to blame for this it's the journalist who mentioned it we're most angry with, is that it?
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I'm still lost. Is the Telegraph article inaccurate? I accept comparisons between us and them aren't exactly comparing eggs with eggs, but is anything in it actually incorrect or misleading? You'd think after all these years I'd have gotten used to feeling stupid.
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Not only am I confused but I also had to click on a link to the Daily Mail, I'll feel soiled for the rest of the day now.
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Yeah, I think I'd want to see the details before I'll be calling foul. I don't like Ashley and I don't wan't him owning or influencing our club, but I'd want to know more about this before I call for the lynch mob.
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Odd as it might seem number 1 is the only point I'd take issue with here. I certainly don't want Ibrox sold and leased back or used to fund some vanity project for as yet unknown future or current directors, however, Ibrox is our current home, but it might not be forever. We should retain the option, none of us know what the future holds, we've moved stadium before, we might have to again in the future. Moving stadium isn't always a bad thing, Arsenal, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Bayern Munich the list of clubs who have 'moved' in recent years is long. We should retain the option for future generations, there may come a day it is the right thing to do. Other than that I like what I read.
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Robertson improved at Rangers but Laudrup made him look like Cafu. Robertson's subsequent poor spell at an ordinary Leeds side backs that up I'm afraid, anyone playing behind Laudrup would look good. Goram developed into a world class keeper, we've a great record improving goalies, our coaching of that position is as good as anyones.
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I think Hutton did 'make it', we sold him because we couldn't afford to turn it down, he'd been flying since Le Guen took over the season before. I agree that Burke, Adam and McCormack were allowed to leave having not fulfilled their potential. My point is can we blame the youth coaches for that or is that a first team issue? I forgot to add Danny Wilson to the list too. Whether he, McCabe and Fleck would be the spine of the side had they stayed is anyone's guess. Ness looked like a lovely player but his injury record always meant he'd question marks over him. Lewis MacLoed looks like a great prospect but until he's playing at a higher level it is hard to gauge. As Calscot say's up thread who are we measuring Rangers against here? For example I wonder if Dylan McGeough will ever regret leaving us for 'them'. If he was as good as everyone claimed he'd have 50 first team matches under his belt with us by now, he'll be 30 before he achieves that with the Tims. Dundee Utd are again being held up as the standard bearer for youth but Jonny Russell who I thought looked a real prospect now plays for Derby and Goodwillie who looked a talent once is back at Utd on loan. Perhaps Gauld and Armstrong will go higher in the game but we'll see. Scotland simply isn't producing exceptional players, not just us. We seem to be able to produce our fair share of okay ones though.
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It's quite the accusation if true though. I mean we're well into the realms of criminality of the white collar variety already, but this an accusation of gangsterism pure and simple.
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We've not produced a player of exceptional quality since Barry Ferguson but our record of producing good players isn't too bad in the last decade or so. Burke, Hutton, Adam, McGregor, McCormack and Little have all gone on to be full internationals. Add McCabe, Fleck and Ness to that plus MacLoed, Aird and Crawford from the current side and I feel we are producing players and our record is better than our East End friends for example. However I do feel we should have produced a few more 'outstanding' players by now. Might that be the fault of the senior coaches rather than the youth ones though?
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Match Preview Schedule - Volunteer to write a Gersnet Match Preview
amms replied to Gribz's topic in Rangers Chat
I've posted the preview straight into the forum, I'm going to struggle to write it tomorrow so you've got it tonight. Apologies that it's a bit downcast, just my frame of mind. Thanks for the opportunity Zappa. -
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that it's a thing 'we' do. I'm guilty of it too. It's just curious, that's all.
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That's not what he did though. When someone writes something as comprehensive and thoughtful as Andy's post it always makes me laugh when a poster will find the one small part of it they don't agree with and post about that. I've done it before too, we're a difficult bunch.
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It was a genuine question, I wasn't being facetious. I followed the meeting on the TRS Twitter feed and didn't get the impression from it that much new was said, but I wasn't there so I don't know, hence the question. It felt like it was further enforcing what was already known or had been said before. Not that that's a bad thing.
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So what did we learn? Anything new apart from Irvine's alleged salary.
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Preferential loans from the CO-OP is finally catching up with them
amms replied to aweebluesoandso's topic in Rangers Chat
It's an absolutely scandalous arrangement they have. Be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of this, particularly with the Co-op bank stopping lending to SMEs surely pressure will be applied on any 'dodgy' loans they have with existing customers. -
That's Andy's letter to Santa sorted then!
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I'd say Dundee, Dunfermline and Hearts have suffered. I'd say all the clubs outside of Celtic have at least experienced increased financial difficulty. In my experience bullies tend to be less tough when the mob behind them starts to disapprove of their actions.
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Andy's pretty much covered this but I'll reply anyway. Your definition of 'They' is too wide. There is no reason why the supporters and officials at Ross County, ICT, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Partick Thistle and Kilmarnock for example wouldn't be open to improving relationships. I imagine the rump of the Heart's support have some idea of what we went through and could be reached out too if we wanted. If we can provide a vision for the game that's inclusive, sustainable and fair why would clubs like the ones mentioned not at least give it consideration? Certainly I'd hope that the clubs in Division's 2 and 3 who we've played against recently don't bear us any great ill-will now. There's an opportunity to make a difference just now, the game is being very badly run, many clubs feel this way but there is little alternative. Provide an alternative and see how others react to it. We'd be no worse off than we are just now. Supporters of all clubs have made it very clear what they'd like to see in Scottish football, I'd love to see the reaction if Rangers stood up and proposed giving supporters what they want.
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Well that's the problem, who makes the first move. Someone always has to make the first move and nobody wants to. But I'd ask you this, later, after peace breaks out, who remembers who made the first move, indeed who cares?
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It's a good point. I suppose we need to sort out our boardroom and club to ensure 'they' don't get the opportunity to try and kill us again. I think being actively involved in the sport and its leadership is imperative for our future survival. I also think having better relationships at all levels with our fellow clubs is also in our long term interest (and theirs). I read and enjoyed (and indeed reviewed) Follow We Will and agree the that we were very badly served by our association, league and fellow clubs. We can't do anything about that now, all we can do is ensure it doesn't happen again. We can only affect change from the inside, remaining outside simply means our voice will continue to be ignored.
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Looking back to history for guidance today can be a thankless task. Every argument in favour of something can be interpreted another way by someone else. None the less as Andy superbly points out if we really do want to look forward we are going to have to do some unpalatable things. Now well into my forties I've learned in life that you rarely get everything you want. Almost always you have to make concessions, sometimes big, sometimes small, sometimes easily and sometimes through gritted teeth. Like a number of people on here and in our support I spent some time living in Northern Ireland. My time there coincided with the end of the first IRA ceasefire and the Docklands bomb, the Omagh bombing, Drumcree and it's aftermath, the murder of the Quinn family in Ballymoney, the vote and signing of the Good Friday Agreement and the creation of a parliament and government in Stormont. As a Glaswegian 'Prod' I thought I'd a fair handle on Northern Ireland before I went there, I knew who were the good guys and who were the bad. It didn't take me long to realise that it wasn't as black and white as I'd thought, there were shades of grey everywhere. To move that small part of the world forward many, many people had to make some very difficult decisions. They had to agree to work with people they had previously struggled to acknowledge were even human beings. Sometimes with good reason too. I remember meeting Jeffrey Donaldson once, he was (and remains) a high profile mainstream Unionist politician. Like most politicians I felt he was self-serving and I also felt the hardline he adopted was counter-productive. It was only when I heard his story, his background and personal tragedy did I begin to understand his views. When you are faced with the option of 'doing business' with the person you hold personally responsible for the murder of members of your family then a certain amount of reticence is understandable. For all its faults Northern Ireland is a safer, more prosperous and better society today than it was in 1996 when I first went there. Belfast city centre is unrecognisable now to the semi-derelict ghost town it became every evening in the 1990s. It's not Utopia, it still faces social and economic problems and only a fool would think the cultural issues have simply vanished, they clearly haven't, however through engagement and the sacrifice of long held 'principles' progress is being made. Most importantly many people have forgiven, not forgotten, but have allowed the anger and resentment and their desire for 'justice' to be secondary to moving everything else forward. We've nothing like the issues with the rest of Scottish football that a significant proportion of the people of Northern Ireland had with each other, but they managed to accept the previously unacceptable and move on. At some point, I believe, we'll need to do that too. The sooner it happens the better it'll be for us. A last lesson from the past. At one time Queens Park were the most powerful, influential and admired football club in Scotland, if not the UK. They pioneered passing football, they helped create the Scottish FA and international football was all their invention. They dominated the game, they were the establishment. They had history (Queens Park were already 33 years old by the turn of the century) they had influence and they had money. What Queens didn't have was a vision of the future that matched the rest of Scottish football. Whilst the world was going professional Queens were sticking to their principles, were refusing to be involved the 'new' league structure preferring to stick to the cup competitions only. As ridiculous as it might seem today Queens Park could have remained the dominant force in this country. Had they embraced professionalism their geographic location, influential 'members' and players and their history of success and innovation would surely have seen them remain the dominant Glasgow club. As Celtic became the successful club they did in the early 20th century it would surely have been Queens Park, not Rangers, who the non-Celtic-minded looked too for a champion. We'll never know for sure. But we should always remember that a south-side Glasgow football club, once recognised as one of the best in world, innovative and progressive allowed the world to pass it by because it didn't want to embrace how the rest of the country was feeling. Anyone who thinks it couldn't happen to us should remember that we all thought that about administration and failed CVAs at one time too. Lastly, making a sacrifice, carrying out those first few steps forward doesn't mean everything is forgotten. It'll never be forgotten, the last couple of years will remain a scar on Rangers face for years to come. But we've a duty to try and bring this to an end. We live in the period of football that history will judge as the worst ever in Scotland. Our professional game is in tatters. Our administrators are useless, our clubs are self-serving, our players even more so. Our national side are a joke and our children know more about Real Madrid and Manchester City than the clubs we play each week. If we genuinely care about Rangers, about football and specifically football in this country we will have to play our part in fixing it. That will involve us engaging with people who dislike us, a lot. That will involve us putting what has happened behind us, not forgetting, but not allowing it to cloud our feelings towards those we might see as responsible for much of it. Rangers support can change position, regain our place as the pre-eminent football club in this country and lead from the front. Or we can wait for someone else to make the first move. We should be prepared for the reality that they might not of course and consider what that might actually mean for us. PS Be grateful that we've got posters like Andy Steel and D'Art who provide , free of charge, well written, thought provoking streams of consciousness to challenge firmly held views. Be grateful the team who provide Gersnet and admin it actively encourage them. Echo-chambers are not what we need at this time.
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A reply tomorrow when I'm not in a hotel foyer on my phone. Great stuff though.
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It depresses me. Some supporters seem to be rejoicing in Laxey's involvement with our club simply because they see them as being 'against the other side'. Anyone who actually reads what Laxey are all about can surely see these people for what they are. I'm reminded of the Americans funding the Afghan Mujahideen to defeat the Soviets only to discover some years later they were far safer with the Soviets and the DRA. A hedge fund does not give a fuck about youth development, supporter safety or wellbeing, players, managers, victories or glory. It only cares about money and it really doesn't mind how it creates it.
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Whoopee. This is great, we're owned by a hedge-fund. What could possibly go wrong.