BrahimHemdani
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I know this has been a very long thread, BD but I did deal with that point specifically at #277. Just to be clear the RFB only agreed to discuss the matter with the Club. -
I did not say that the size of the electorate IS a factor what I said was that "the Club might take a view depending on the size of their membership." and I gave two examples to justify that, one being in relation to the Club and another the SG. However, I have not and will not be making any such proposal so I trust that sets your mind at rest. I consider that all the members of the RFB were duly and legitimately elected in a properly constituted, independent election but the conduct of the election was in the hands of the Club, the NC and the company that dealt with the voting. I am not sure what comparison you are making but if I can use my experience at the RST as an example, the Board was elected by a very small number of people (less than 30) if memory serves me) who chose to attend the AGM. Nonetheless the Board was legitimately elected in accordance with the Constitution.
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That would be up to the group concerned and the Club, I was only explaining my position that in my opinion elected representatives of properly constituted groups have a right to be heard. But if I was one of them I would go directly to the Club unless I was advised otherwise. That said the RSA came to me on the issue of representation and I put forward their question and relayed the answer back to them. As I have also said and it is clear in the Minutes the directors will be asked to confirm their future communication policy at the next meeting.
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As I have stated several times I don't have the information about voters or non ST members, though I suspect the latter at least is a low number. I have not and will not specify any group other than the description I have given and explained in some depth. This has nothing whatsoever to do with fans meetings but it is a fact that I proposed fans meetings twice a year at Ibrox and at least once a year away from Ibrox. And before you ask, I would make them open to any fan. It was solely in connection with groups with whom the directors might chose to communicate directly. Once again I would reiterate that any fan can contact any member of the fans board about any matter or go directly to the club as they see fit. As you well know this has nothing whatsoever to do with shareholder's meetings.
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I am not going to take issue with a fellow Board member on a public forum, so I will just make a few points to furhter clarify my view. The "constituency" I was referring to was the electorate of 23,000 or so; however many of them voted is another matter. I agree that the RFB has to earn its own credibility. The suggestion to lengthen the term of office was not made by me it was made by Alan Fraser but I agree with it because as things stand the first term is only October 14 to June or July 15 and IMHO that is a very short term for any Board especially a new one. IF and as you say no decision has been made, such a proposal were to be made and agreed by the Club then the first term would still be less than two years. I will be proposing some method of rolling elections thereafter to provide some degree of continuity and avoid a completely fresh Board being elected every time.
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There were a number of people who made similar comments.
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The constituency was approx 23,000 and I don't have the breakdown of the voting numbers but I know I got 49% of the vote in a 3 person race and won by 22% (the other two candidates combined got 51%).
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I'm prepared to consider all possibilities.
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Yes I did and no they didn't.
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I think your reply might make more sense if you were to move the comma to between "ammendments" (and) "respectively". Actually reading your sentence again the word "respectively" is redundant. The sentence makes perfect sense with a period after "amendments", which only has two "m"'s BTW. If you were to do that I think I might be forced to agree with you but that might also be a mistake or at least a lapse in judgement on my part.
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I didn't make the mistake, the person who took the Minutes made the mistake.
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Well, RS, we all know that you are not a cynic. I missed it, I'm not perfect, sometimes I make mistakes. But I know I said it at the meeting because it's in my handwritten notes and that is what was proposed on RM. Both FS and I have agreed that the format and content of the Minutes leaves a lot to be desired and we have to accept our share of responsibility for that even although we did not take the Minutes (assuming FS was not the person who submitted notes to Rev MacQuarrie and I'll leave him to verify that one way or another).
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I take the point Zappa, whcih is why I made my request by email and I have an email confirmation that it has been actioned.
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Well, I thank you for doing me and the Board the courtesy of reading the thread. Thanks for the question. Re-reading the passage you highlight, perhaps it would have been better phrased as the unelected leaders of groups or groups where this no election for leaders/office bearers. I do not wish to personalise this issue, much as some would love me to do that; so I'm not going to name one group or another but there are several which have a constitution and hold elections for committees or boards and then have a due process to elect office bearers. I would say that the elected leaders of such groups have every right to be heard, although the Club might take a view depending on the size of their membership. Clearly, the RFB has the biggest constituency by a very long way, so it might get the most access and be regarded as the most legitimate but not the only legitimate voice of the fans or a group of the fans. The question that I will pose to the Directors is about their communication policy going forward. They may have a different view. I'll give you a couple of examples. When I was on the Board of the RST, I think I am correct in saying that the actual membership most of the time was under 1,000 (believe it or not even as the Secretary I couldn't find out the true number); but when it came to negotiations with the Club or media comment, the figure was usually stated as about 1,500 (which included those who had not renewed up to the next AGM) or some much higher figure (5,000 I think) who at one time HAD BEEN members, the whole point being to gain more credence as a body worthy of recognition. 3% of those who attend matches sounds much better than less than 2%. Also when I was Chair of SDS, I well remember making a great faux pas, when asked by a Civil Servant how many fans we represented, I said "about 15,000, 10% of all the football fans in Scotland" (which I thought was a big number). To which came the retort, "what about the OTHER 90%" So in my view representation is not only about democracy but also the size of the electorate. Somewhere in this or another recent thread, someone said something about a leader of a two-man group; even democratcially elected, such a leader may not command much credibility. Also whilst I think that a constitution is the best basis for an election, it isn't absolutely essential; so long as there are clear and transparent rules governing an election. On the other hand persons who claim to lead a group but who had not stood in an election or where there had not been an election for more than say 2 or 3 years, may have somewhat less legitimacy, if any legitimacy at all. I hope this helps clarify my view.
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Well at this stage the point is that he's been asked and so has every director of the Club; so we'll soon see and then we can all make a judgement based on that. Pretty soon I'm going to ask which of the directors (and Mr Ashley) have accepted the invitation attend. I don't want to let down my new friend Mr McLean.
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Perhaps it would be easier to have a panel, like Question Time or better still lets amalgamate all the sensible forums.
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McCoist challenge to Rangers wing ace Templeton
BrahimHemdani replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
When will Boyd come good? -
McCoist challenge to Rangers wing ace Templeton
BrahimHemdani replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
Yes forgot about Zaliukas, he's played so few games, but I think he is quality; Zal and McG works for me. Still think Faure is very unfortunate, like many looks better when played in his "proper" position. -
Copied from other thread: "Hope Mohsni goes to Africa and doesn't come back. McCulloch (dare I say) and McGregor are doing just fine and no histrionics or arguing with officials or the fans. Faure and McGregor for next season or Gasparotto and McGregor."
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I'll pass it Frankie for review.
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What was it again, send me an email. However, it will probably be filtered out.
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Yes it is.
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Major update to the Gersnet Prediction League !!
BrahimHemdani replied to Zappa's topic in Rangers Chat
Yes, I agree with that; I didn't think it was right to use averages because it meant that to some extent it was better to miss a game or two if you were a good forecaster. But you know me, I just got elected to the League and I didn't want to make a fuss Looking at the new table the only ties are from 12th to 14th and 15th/16th. Looks like you are going on FGS, which is fine by me as it's probably the most difficult thing to forecast (although some would say a bit of a lottery) or are you going by CS then FGS? In any event rather than being 0.12 ahead of you now I'm a clear FGS ahead, so it works for me though I can see why GS might call for an inquiry. Maybe we should just have a FGS league then I'd be joint 2nd -
Thanks for that ringing endorsement Mr McLean. No that is not correct (that if a Rangers fan has not been elected by any fans group then that fan should not have the right to question what is happening within the club); that is not what I said. What was proposed from elsewhere and what was supported by the Board on the night was that Rangers should not communicate with (the leaders of) unelected groups. Despite the criticism on this forum I agree with that. I would reiterate yet again that any fan is free to raise any issue with any member of the Fans Board. Once you have more experience of posting on here you will know that I have a reputation for trying to be as accurate and factual as possible, some call it pedantic; and when I make mistakes, folk around here are not slow to point them out. I put forward the questions that I was asked to put forward. There were in fact no directors present when I put forward those questions. I assume you would be even more critical of other Board members who didn't put forward any questions? Or is a Board member who doesn't ask any questions somehow not paying lip service to the BoD; whereas one who asks questions that you regard as irrelevant is only doing so for self aggrandisement. What utter nonsense. Lastly for your information, I am the person who asked within an hour or so of the Stock Exchange announcement being made on Monday, that Mr Ashley (and Mr Llambias) be invited to the next meeting of the Board. Why do you think I did that? Could the answer possibly just be that I want ask him about his plans for the Club?
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McCoist challenge to Rangers wing ace Templeton
BrahimHemdani replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
It takes a player about 20 minutes to get warmed up to the pace of a game; Novo was an exception because he was more direct, Templeton is not. I still think he is the player most likely to beat defenders for pure skill and make chances for others or score himself; but Ally needs to take a chance and give him a run of starts, especially with Aird out for a few weeks. I would have Macleod, Black, Law and Templeton; with Black deep and Macleod and Temps switching about, no need to be static on either wing, and Law pushing up behind the strikers where he is best and gets me points in the Prediction league. Watching Smith in LMF is just too depressing. Oh and Daly and Clark should start but I know they both won't, so if I had a choice I'd have Daly. Boyd looks completely finished to me (and yes I know he managed two goals when I was on hols but seemingly missed the usual bunch of sitters). Hope Mohsni goes to Africa and doesn't come back. McCulloch (dare I say) and McGregor are doing just fine and no histrionics or arguing with officials or the fans. Faure and McGregor for next season or Gasparotto and McGregor. PS: Good to be talking about the team rather than the Minutes.