BrahimHemdani
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I don't think that fans who are of that opinion need any advice from me to be quite honest.
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I'm a bit confused by this number I must admit. Is 7,000 the number of people who suggested they might not renew and/or give their money to a ST Trust before Ibrox 1972 was launched? The reason I ask that is that when I Google - Rangers Union of Fans - now it takes me to https://www.ibrox1972.co.uk/ Ibrox 1972 | The Union of Fans website On there it says that: If you are a current season ticket holder you can commit to deposit your 2014 – 2015 season ticket money. If you are NOT a current season ticket holder you can pledge to pay for a 2014 – 2015 season ticket. Are you saying that the total of those two groups of people comes to 7,000? If you are meaning the number pre Ibrox 1972 Ltd, would you not agree that it's relatively easy to attract "members" if there is no cost involved? The RST toyed with free membership but rejected the idea because throughout the Trust movement, free membership is not regarded as a true indication of real support or commitment.
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I don't honestly think this is relevant any more Zappa; it's two years since I was in elected office. I was simply contradicting your claim of hypocrisy on my part. However, if it helps you at all in terms of representation: at the time I was Secretary of the RST they claimed about 1,500, my belief is that it was under a 1,000; as Chair of SDS about 15,000 but when we launched the Network it was more than 60,000; in terms of the UK Board I have no idea.
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What was the membership fee? No doubt you'll be standing for election and I wish you every success.
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1) Yes those parts are but the organisation itself is not. 2) That's such a poor argument that its not worth destroying.
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So you agree that neither the UoF nor the SoS are democratic organisations?
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Because you can't join it; it's not a member organisation. And as you well know I do not agree with its fundamental policy of withhholding or delaying ST money.
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Not at all. I was elected to all the positions I held.
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Then you must have a very good memory, Zappa; I deleted that long ago but if my memory serves me that's pretty close to verbatim.
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I really do find your continual attacks on my integrity quite tiresome; not to mention in this case completely wrong. There have been no elections for the committee, Board or Office Bearers of RF. As and when there are; I will decide whether or not to put myself forward. RF is a member organisation which will have an elected committee or Board in due course. Neither the UoF, SoS or Ibrox 1972 Ltd are member organisations and I don't see any sign of them having elections any time soon.
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Did that person express those views in a PM?
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My point was Simply that there is nothing unusual or inordinate in someone who has had 3 jobs as a COO successfully applying or even been recruited for a CEO job. The correct salary for the job is another matter and something that has been debated on here at length; but didn't Chris Graham say he didn't have an issue with it?
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I need to correct you there Zappa. I offered to assist the committee "with Administration and Compliance issues" when they lost their Admin Group leader in rather unfortunate circumstances as you may recall "and take the Minutes and contribute any guidance I can based on my experience, in an ex officio capacity". So the question doesn't arise because I wouldn't have been a member of said committee. In respect of the steering group, although they were appointed not elected, I understand that they were at least affirmed by those present at a meeting, albeit not a meeting called for that purpose, so I think that they have some limited legitimacy. The steering committee has been established pro tem pending formal elections, so my feeling would be that they should only be involved with internal matters and that any external matters should wait until a properly elected committee has been established. It certainly would be interesting to learn what external meetings have been conducted; indeed I did ask just such a question but didn't receive a straight answer.
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I don't think his lack of experience as a CEO is such a big issue, he WAS the Chief Financial Officer of three different companies and Chief Operating Officer of Man City and folks often successfully apply for more senior positions than they have been in, based on skills and past experience. However, I did raise the question at the time about the fact that he Had been out of work for the best part of a year and I recall being corrected by GS I think who said it was 8 months. However based on info on the City fans' site he might have been on gardening leave for 3 months, so effectively it was almost a year.
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Do you mean UoF sign ups or Ibrox 1972 pledges?
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http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2014/05/shareholders-blocking-potential-peace.html This would not surprise my in the slightest. The Board have pledged not to grant a security over our major assets. Yet now some amongst them apparently want to provide some form of legally binding assurance to a group of unelected individuals and/or a minority trust and /or company controlled by a non shareholder (or at best minor shareholder) whose other current and future shareholders are unknown. And for what? As a much maligned commentator (of whom I know nothing) said yesterday; what is being asked in return and what if anything can the UoF/Ibrox 1972 Ltd deliver? In any event I think that it is questionable whether any such agreement could be written in a way that would be binding on the Club under the current or any future Board never mind enforceable by the UoF, Ibrox 1972 Ltd or whoever or what remedies might be available to any such party. It also seems to me that there would be questions as to whether or not it was in the best interests of the company to enter into any such agreement.
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I am quite sure that all that is absolutely true, sad as it is from my perspective. However, the fact that the Club has chosen to engage with the UoF does not make those who attended the meeting legitimate representatives of the UoF nor can they be considered representatives of Ibrox 1972. Ltd.
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I have an issue with Rangers directors negotiating with unelected so-called fans representatives. I have read that SoS is a two-man band one of whom is Craig Houston. No doubt SoS were invited to join UoF because of what was seen as his sterling work with posters, red cards etc etc. I don't know anything of Mr Graham's background other than that he somehow started appearing on STV and other programmes. Was the UoF his brainchild? I have also seen a picture of Messrs Dinnie, Houston and Graham representing the UoF and so far as I can gather Mr Robertson represents Association. I don't know about the Assembly but as has been mentioned they appear to be more or less redundant. I take the point that members of an association elect their delegates who would then elect their committee and/or appoint delegates to a meeting. But there appears to be a stage missing in the UoF process.
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Unfortunately I just read this; maybe I can get it on the iplayer. For the avoidance of doubt, that also was a joke.
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Do you not mean you pledged not to renew your ST? What form does your membership take? Did you take part in an election for Mr Graham?
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That's just a really silly comment. I don't know and have never even met any Board member since the days of SDM and certainly don't need anyone to film what I saw with my own eyes. Furthermore I very much doubt if Gordon Dinnie would deny it.
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Who appointed them then?
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I could give you a very sarcastic response but I'll refrain. No, I'm trying to establish their credentials. Mr Dinnie and Mr Robertson are both elected officials and I assume that their respective organisations nominated them to represent those organisations on the UoF. But since, as I understand it, neither the UoF nor the SoS has any members I am trying to understand what authority Mr Graham and Mr Houston have to negotiate with the Club. If they were directors of Ibrox 1972 Ltd, for example, and it was Ibrox 1972 Ltd that was negotiating, then I could see their standing; but it was the UoF not Ibrox 1972.
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As a matter of interest, did any person or group of persons elect Mr Graham or Mr Houston to positions in the UoF or the SoS respectively or are they both self-appointed?
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Your list is safe, he was sitting 6 seats along from me; he did chant it once then rather sheepishly realised what he had done and didn't repeat it but clapped his hands instead.
