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You would assume that any future owner/director takes note of the behaviour of some people right now, be they Celtic staff or reporters or politicians. And then makes sure that this lot does not set a foot into Ibrox in the forseeable future.

No no. You simply have to be careful with a lot posted on there. Since there are what, 500 to 1200 active people on there at any given time, you can get a lot of (quick) info. Some is good, some is not, and some is being made. I've been there since a decade or so and you grew some sort of rubbish resistance. The poster who had this info I had in the first posting of this thread has been their for ages and not exactly revealed himself as an infiltrator. It could well be that someone made him look like a fool. That said, many on there and here have been made look like fools every now and then with some information delivered in good faith, only to be contradicted with facts from the official site. Not least these last few days.

Thanks again for BlueMazza's updates. I think we do well to wait for the administrators' statements from now on, instead of jumping to conclusions based on media rumour-mongering. I cannot say I have a good feeling about the administration, but a better feeling than same time last week, or, indeed, Monday. Add the that the public support we received today.

Spotted Roddy Forsyth, one of the lasses might be Sheelagh McLaren of (whatever)

... oh yes, we have/had a deal with STV (Sky will be furious ... or making money with ads).

The good thing is that you at long last get real facts from these people, whether they are good or bad, they are at least facts, not speculation and hearsay.

And can be watched here. Forget the rumours, let's hear the facts.

Okay ... best wait for any sort of official confirmation here before commenting. Heck, now I start some second hand info thread ... I'll be away castigating myself for a while now!

Then again ... Liam McLeod @liammcleod79 The administrators for #Rangers say no players or Ibrox staff will be sacked today.They say it'll be next week before anyone's told Martyn McLaughlin @MartynMcL Duff & Phelps also refute rumours that players have been asked to play without being paid #Rangers

... following a meeting with the adminstrators. Needs confirmation though.

I do believe the administrator's words more than that of a journalist. Any journalist that is. One late reply from the chap quoted above: Question Reply I just C&P this. No insight whatsoever.

Despite what I just wrote above ... from FF Question: Reply:

I think the administrators have said that liquidation is only a remote possibility. They are now the "show in town" and speak to all relevant parties. We should, for the time being, wait and see how they do their job and listen to what they have to say. The time for speculation has essentially past.

I think it is best - for the time being - to stop reading most of the press rumours and assumptions and stick to what these people have to say.

A question here ... who owns the 9m VAT/PAYE whatever to HMRC? Rangers? Whyte? The Rangers Group? Would it make any difference for the administrators?

major creditor, secured creditor, unsecured creditor ... and sometimes they have a say and sometimes they don't. So far, the tribunal's result has not been published, so the "big case claim" remains a hypothetical one (whether or not HMRC wants to go through all tiers here), there is the small issue (with much of it ringfenced in our accounts anyway) and the VAT/PAYE/you name it one reported here and there. Who owns the latter to HMRC though? Whyte? Rangers? And if it is the former, could HMRC use it against Rangers' administration plans ... or just against Whyte / TRG?

BTW, a petition is asking the Prime Minister to help, as he did with Portsmouth. rbr ... these people you mentioned above, where they businessmen?

Well, who knows. I for one do not know the exact "deadlines" for Europe next season, 31st of March is AFAIK a SFA deadline?

I don't. All I hear from forlanssister is accusations of Whyte being responsible for putting is into administration et al. Which is utterly wrong. Sure he caused it earlier because of the apparent non-payment of VAT, PAYE and whatnot, so admins was instigated this week. But this HMRC big case was coming up and we know HMRCs intent to go through all tiers and ruin us, so admin was coming all along. And I simply ask all the Whyte blamers whether they have a better option than what Whyte did? No, because there is not. HMRC would have come after us, whether under the "helm" of AJ, Paul Murray, Craig Whyte or someone else. And they would have ruined the club one way or another. But still the blamers go on and on about this being solely Whyte's doing and failure. I do not want to protect him, for I have no reason to do this whatsoever, but some folk should really take their glasses off here. Or present a solution that would have fended off HMRCs 50odd million claims.

And you kindly ignore HMRC. Well, if you hate Whyte for getting us into this, so be it. But HMRC will not have gone away and would have dealt the killer blow as soon as they could. So for all the blaming of Whyte, we hardly get an sensible answer on the HMRC topic from the blamers.

Some very strange posts in this thread ... but suum cuique.

.. for installing the EBTs and thus creating the mess? That's correct then. He can't be blamed for the credit crunch and his massive losses though. There are a number of factors here and no single person is solely at fault. No matter what, once HMRC lodged their interest and went into their cash-back frenzy mode, the events of this week would have happened no matter who was at the helm.

Not that I disagree here, but IMHO he only has to prove it to the administrator, right?

At the moment I don't care what the Hooped Horrors do or don't. Scum does as scum does. As for Whyte's speech ... we should be careful with these rumour and hearsay stuff. Whyte now gets it from all angles and who can say for sure how much the shyte-stirring-levels have become.

On a sidenote, the individual Rangers fan (unless he's got a few million about) will not influence the course the club may take. Supporters associations with a few thousand member will be different though. The main thing is - for all concerened - to get their act together and make it clear to the administrators that there are people there who care ... in their thousands.