the gunslinger

this will be the end for many fans but the beginning for many more.

green won't be getting any of my cash but I will still follow our fortunes.

least surprising news ever.

can't say I am at all surprised its been d&p target since day one.

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont

As far as Charles Green's consortium is concerned, their business and assets purchase of Rangers for £5.5m now kicks in

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More here soon http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/

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Duff and Phelps are expected to confirm today Rangers CVA will not go through as HMRC have indicated they will vote against it

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d&p bending over backwards to help greens bid while making it hard for others is suspicious.

who knows what's behind it.

ah vanguard bears. bastians of all things sensible on the internet.

frankly I do not see why anything green says to the rfff is a secret from us.

I know some still believe things green says despite him being caught out several times.

must admitt the claim low isn't involved took me somewhat aback.

strange claim and clearly untrue.

got to admitt the whyte like swearing black is white no matter the evidence is a worry as well.

that said I can't see how green can be stopped now.

Even though you dont know who is in it?

 

Sums up the stuff you post day after day.

but know you enough to say were lying etc.

Not at all.

in 3 days we will know. of course by then it will be to late.

beautiful plan really

To be honest mate I think it's somewhere in between. I don't think he is trying to rip us off or do anything underhanded, but he will make some decisions which we are going to find hard to swallow.

the trouble is are we talking about eating tuna steak without sauce or eating cat shit.

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There is no such plan and is no hard evidence of such a plan.

there's no proof. plenty of evidence though.

Leggo getting desperate for this mates TBK as Thursday draws closer.

no question about that.

the question is are tbk right again as they were with whyte or are the anti tbk brigade right this time.

leggo doesn't like this thread it seems.

GREEN BAMBOOZLES RANGERS FANS WITH BULLSHIT

HERE is the gospel according to proven liar Charles Green. Bamboozle them with bullshit! Confuse them with crap!

And fair play to him. Charles Green’s bullshit has got Rangers supporters well and truly bamboozled. Charles Green’s crap has got Rangers fans well and truly confused.

Or at least his bullshit and crap has got some Rangers fans – Assembly leader Andy Kerr among them – bamboozled and confused.

Others, however, are far from bamboozled. They are the ones who are a long way from being confused and who can see just what a snake oil salesman Charles Green really is.

For instance, in the last three days Charles Green has told daily newspaper reporters that if his CVA is successful he will then bring in some big time money men who will invest anything between £20m and £30M in Rangers.

Before then going on to tell Sunday newspaper reporters that if his CVA is successful he will launch a share issue and ask Rangers supporters to invest £30M.

Actually, when it comes to how full he wants his begging bowl filled by Rangers supporters in the next six weeks, the bottom line is close to a staggering £50M.

That’s right, nearly £50M! That is what Charles Green needs from Rangers supporters in the next six weeks to make his get-rich-quick scheme work .

Work it out if you do not believe me. And I know there are more than a few out there who don’t.

The season ticket money comes to £16M and the deadline for renewal is July 2nd.

Charles Green wants a share issue to be rushed through by the end of July, according to what he has been quoted as saying and that will, he believes, coin in another £30M.

That is a total of £46M, which isn’t a kick in the backside away from the eye watering figure of £50m and it is what Charles Green is demanding from Rangers supporters over the next six weeks.

The trouble with Charles Green is that he is a liar. A proven liar.

And the trouble with liars is that they cannot remember the lies they have told. Therefore they often tell subsequent lies which contradict their original lies.

Lies such as the one Charles Green told originally when he said he had 20 investors.

Lies such as the one Charles Green told when he said he had £20M available.

Lies such as the one Charles Green told when he said that if Rangers got a CVA they would emerge from administration debt free.

Of course Charles Green is not the only one telling lies in the rush for his dodgy scheme to be bulldozed through. Some Rangers supporters have joined in.

One even went so far as claiming there was no truth in my story that self confessed unreconstructed Celtic supporter, David Low, had been involved with Charles Green.

That lie was peddled in spite of the overwhelming evidence to back my story. Evidence in the shape of David Low admitting that it was correct and that he had acted as a go-between for Charles Green in Green’s desperate efforts to raise money.

I know what Charles Green’s motives for lying are. He wants to rip off Rangers and make a fast buck.

But, for the life of me, I cannot imagine what motivation lurks behind the lies being peddled by some Rangers supporters. For I refuse to believe they are working hand in glove with Charles Green on the basis of some sort of reward Green may have promised.

That is too preposterous, too potty, to be believed.

Isn’t it?

But let me predict what is going to happen in the next 72 hours as the countdown begins to Thursday’s meeting when creditors will get the chance to vote on Charles Green’s CVA proposals.

Charles Green will make even more and more outrageous and contradictory promises. Charles Green will tell bigger and bigger lies.

And some Rangers supporters will continue to be bamboozled by his bullshit and confused by his crap.

Others will not.

…….

AND……..

He's A Bluenose, Richard Wilson no Uncle Bulgaria.

pretty sure both are.

Cuts I'm expecting the loan bit doesn't bother me either way, but I'm with you on Whyte.

I guess we will find out soon.

Well for one thing he's not the bloody owner how many times does it need to be said. But don't let your obvious dislike for the man who beat TBK get in the way of a reasoned arguement.

ok his consortium will be terrible.

Weill you be man enough to apologise on here to the man, if he does what he says he will do?

absolutely.

if he gets a cva

converts the loan to capital.

has us debt free and puts in 20 to 30 million.

ill say it now he's a genious.

what will you say if its huge cuts, loan stays and whytes still involved?

No because i support Rangers not the people that own the club.

 

Also you and your crew seem to miss the point, were backing the possible take over at Rangers and will back it until this group prove other wise that we should not. Where as you and serveral others have been against him or anybody thats not TBK. So please spare your responce that you not, anybody can see this.

yeah I heard the same when I was against whyte.

well I guess we will see if greens another whyte basses on wheter this loan does dissaper or not then.

There has been a lot of talk, mostly negative, about the fact that the funding of the club by Green through the CVA is being done through a loan agreement with certain repayment criteria and interest.

 

Many have jumped on it and wrongly tried to declare that this means he is not really putting any money in, just lending us it until we can pay it back some way down the line.

 

Lets nail this right now.

 

In order to get a CVA agreed, Green had to pump the cash in to fund the CVA and to fund the club from June 1 when the club's cash under admin ran out. It is not certain yet if the CVA will be agreed, as that is up to the Creditors and while it is looking good, nothing concrete can be relied upon at this stage.

 

What were his options to put this money into the club in reality?

 

1. He does it the way he has done, a loan which would be repayable if the CVA fails and the club is liquidated. If the CVA is approved the loan turns into Capital via shares, and the club exits administration. The loan will not be repaid if the CVA is successful. I can absolutely say that for certain. This is the quickest and best way of getting the money in and the deal done. He is not allowed to officially say this will happen as that would constitute an offer and would be the same as option 2 below.

 

2. He puts the money in as Capital. Under the rules of this as has been explained to me, he would have to then make an offer for every share available (the 15% not already owned by him). This is very time consuming and costly.

 

 

Obviously these things are very complicated and well over the heads of most of us, and it is not helped by some who actually know what the deal is and are deliberately stoking up the opposite view to create mischief to follow their own petty agendas. We are having enough trouble with our enemies without some of our own support being obstructive and divisive.

 

What is the only important issue around just now is that the CVA is approved next week. We have already seen a barrage of negative stories trying to derail this process from achieving a successful outcome, and some of these stories have come from so-called Rangers fans who seem to now want us to be liquidated in order that there favoured party can gain control.

 

Firstly we had Green has no money. He has proven he has.

Next it was Green's camp is deserting him, nobody has walked away that was already declared as being in.

Remember Kennedy saying that if his team were not in by 12 noon the next day a CVA would be impossible? Thats funny because Green came in later than that and still managed to get a CVA out to creditors.

We have had accusations of David Low being involved. He is not.

We heard accusations that King was suing the club a couple of weeks ago, but he has yet to file papers. He has yet to provide D&P with ANY evidence. His statement yesterday was another attempt to derail the CVA.

 

There is oh so very much more that I cannot put down that has been done to try to disrupt the process from so-called Rangers fans and they really should now give it up and let the club get on with it.

 

By all means we have to keep asking the questions of Green and his consortium, and the RFFF are doing a great job (statements apart!) at pushing Green in every direction to ensure this is getting done properly and with the best intentions. There are still a lot of valid questions we need answered, and the more time we spend trying to get answers to ridiculous accusations that are made up to suit a certain agenda is taking valuable time away from the important issues.

he's not funding the club just now though is he. that's clear from the cva proposal and even the fact all the money's with a lawyer.

whyte got round making an offer for the other shares easily. its not hard.

and finaly is low lying about being involved?

any tv money we make helps celtc as much as us.

Zappa with friends like you, who needs.....

 

If he is the real deal will you have the brass neck to still "support" Rangers?

will you stop if he's just another patter merchant?

I think he's going to be a terrible owner. maybe not as bad as whyte but piss poor none the less.

What are FF followers saying about King's statement yesterday? me banned during the Miller bid lol, are they agreeing with King?

just what you'd expect some are some not