the gunslinger

the fact that mcoll doesn't rate green is a fact. I'm not sure what your looking for fact wise.

apologies ok terrible reason not to starve him of income. imho.

I think more than enough will buy season books to see us safe for a while. I would be hugely impressed if the boycott got us down to only 20k books sold. mor likely 25k at least will be sold.

certainly one way to look at it. mind you as ally never said he was walking I can't agree.

I don't really think mcolls lost yet. he wasn't part of tbk. he's come into this expecting to be where we are today.

indeed he hasn't said anything. strange really considering traynors repeating his story today. I'm surprised anyone's disputing the story to be honest.

that's a terrible reason to back him I have to say.

now that's some clear, clever thinking right there

even though super hasn't denied the record story?

green can always sack him.

He explained that he had "real concern" Mr Green's takeover would be a "re-run of what has happened before". He added: "None of us have any confidence that it is a secure way forward for the club. We want to make sure it is in good hands, safe hands.

oh I think you could get almost all to unite behind Walters consortium. even the very staunch amongst the anyone but tbk brigade were excited yesterday.

what does it say of their opinion of green?

rangers only suffer if we are split as fans. no one renews green has to go. everyone renews we are fine with green. a split everyone suffers. green can cling on and the team goes into terminal decline.

as I said yesterday he is waiting to see who owns us.

this guy has shyed away from rangers in the past his very involvement says to me we are in a perilous position. tbk probably wanted a bit of fame and even a small profit but not this guy imho.

jim McColl: Why I have to save Rangers Published on 15 June 2012 Ian McConnell MILLIONAIRE entrepreneur Jim McColl and former manager Walter Smith were last night putting together a deal to take over Rangers. The club was bought by businessman Charles Green for £5.5million yesterday as it was plunged into liquidation. Full coverage - Green's pledge: "Rangers will rise again" - Smith's plans: ready to salve the wounds - The new bid: how it happened - From now on: Key dates timeline - History: 140 years ends in nine minutes - Social media: Stars and fans' Rangers tweets - Ally McCoist: Sleep walking However, Mr McColl last night urged Mr Green to sell the club to his consortium, which also includes wealthy car dealership and coach hire business owner Douglas Park. Mr McColl, a Rangers fan and one of Scotland's best-known businessmen, is lending his expertise to a bid which would see Ibrox hero Smith installed as club chairman. He explained that he had "real concern" Mr Green's takeover would be a "re-run of what has happened before". He added: "None of us have any confidence that it is a secure way forward for the club. We want to make sure it is in good hands, safe hands." Mr McColl revealed his plans after another dramatic day in Rangers' 140-year history. Mr Green's proposed company voluntary arrangement â?? which would have avoided liquidation â?? was formally rejected at a meeting at Ibrox lasting just nine minutes after HM Revenue & Customs announced it would not support it. He then bought the club's entire assets through his "newco" firm of Sevco under a pre-arranged deal. However, Mr McColl, who became one of Scotland's wealthiest men after building up the Clyde Blowers engineering empire, last night said: "I would like to issue a public appeal to Charles Green to strongly consider selling the club to the Walter Smith consortium. "This would be in the best interests of Rangers, the Rangers fans, and all of Scottish football. Mr Green does not have the backing of the Rangers support and, the longer he delays, the harder the situation will become. "I don't think he will get the fans' support or the players' support." Referring to reports yesterday that manager Ally McCoist was to quit the club after falling out with Mr Green, Mr McColl said: "You saw the announcement about McCoist, indicating that Green was a wee bit duplicitous with him, if that's the right word. Alistair obviously had some issues." Explaining his reasons for launching a bid to save the club, Mr McColl added: "I think there is real concern about the Charles Green bid and what might happen. A number of people have been approached by him. They feel uncomfortable about the way it is going. "We wouldn't have come out with this if we had been comfortable, if the deal was going through, the club was being saved and everything was going to be hunky-dory. But I think there is real concern about this being a re-run of what has happened before. "There is a real concern. The focus here is to make sure this is stabilised and safe, that is all. Rangers Football Club is far too important for Scotland, Scottish football, and Glasgow to be messed up again. "Our bid is because the group that is involved want to make sure that it is in good hands, in safe hands. "A number of the individuals in our group have great concerns because of their interactions with Green. The way it is going, there is not enough transparency. There is just worry, with all the club has been through. The group here has decided that something had to be done to fix this â?? to try to recover the situation with the club. "The question we will be asked now is why didn't we come forward before. "The answer is that none of us wanted to own a football club, but when we saw the way it is going, everyone has been forced to say, 'Look, we have to do something'." Mr McColl refused to reveal how much money he was putting into the Walter Smith-led consortium, saying: "I don't want to comment about me or any of the consortium. I have no comment to make about who, or how much, or what. This is a genuine effort to support Walter Smith and the Rangers supporters to secure their club going forward." Mr Green last night installed Malcolm Murray, a former pensions fund boss and an Ibrox season ticket holder, as chairman of Rangers and vowed the club "will rise again". Mr Green also said he wants McCoist to remain as manager and "firmly believes he is the man to take Rangers forward." But Rangers fans' chiefs last night urged supporters not to buy season tickets until Mr Green "steps aside" and allows Smith and Mr McColl's consortium to take control of the club.

the news about ally was the truth.

I'm nearly in tears myself reading that.

I don't have a season ticket to not renew but if Walter gets in I will buy one and suppost a share issue.

EVERY time Walter Smith thinks heâ??s finally managed to escape the SFA â?? Scottish Football Asylum â?? he gets dragged back in. The ties that bind are just too strong. And his bonds just happen to be with the most dysfunctional inmate in the madhouse. He keeps leaving but Rangers just keep sucking him back in. Yesterday the golf clubs were chucked under the stairs and Smith was back on the front line, his mission once again to save the Ibrox club. But Rangersâ?? need this time is greater than at any other moment in their long history. Huge numbers of their fans believe the club wasnâ??t removed from danger yesterday when Charles Green took over the newco and are convinced they are merely heading down another road to ruin. Yesterday the club was stripped of its name and became The Rangers Football Club. A small change but one that will likely have massive consequences. Newco or not, The Rangers still face troubled times and donâ??t even know if theyâ??ll be allowed back into the SPL or banished to the Third Division. And Green, who announced his new board, minus the big household football name he promised, has no idea how many season-tickets heâ??ll sell to a support that doesnâ??t have any belief or faith in him. But while others played at becoming owner Green was serious and finally got his hands on Rangers and all the assets for a mere £5.5million Already, the fans have judged. They want him out, especially after one of their legends insists he uncovered a plot to get rid of him. Thatâ??s certainly Ally McCoistâ??s belief and when the manager confronted Green with his evidence on Wednesday no amount of bluster from the owner could get him off the hook. As Record Sport revealed McCoist has decided he canâ??t continue to work with Green and when the fans read the story they turned in greater numbers against the man Duff and Phelps willingly embraced. Figurehead McCoist or Green? No contest, you donâ??t mess with a legend and even though Green met McCoist yesterday afternoon there was no healing process. McCoist was ready to leave but the developments that hauled his mentor, Smith, back into play started to unfold and so he held off. Green unveiled his investors, a mere handful despite claims at the start that he had 20 lined up, but it wouldnâ??t have mattered if heâ??d enlisted Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, Rangersâ?? fans still wouldnâ??t have been won over. Not now that Smith has broken cover as the figurehead for a group that includes bus tycoon Douglas Park and Jim McColl, one of Scotlandâ??s seriously wealthy men. And as soon as Smith spoke, promising transparency and honesty at all times, the support demanded that Green, who said he would be in charge for no more than a year, should go right now. The former manager, who won 21 trophies over two Ibrox stints, is revered by Rangers fans. In this their time of need they see him as the only one who can save their club. But he doesnâ??t see himself as a saviour, just someone who cares passionately about the club and who felt he had to step forward. Smith was approached early in April and asked if he would front a group desperate to prevent Rangers from plunging deeper into trouble but a solid and transparent plan couldnâ??t be pieced together in time and Green made his blindside run. Administrators Duff and Phelps made a binding and legal pact with the former Sheffield Wednesday chief executive and at that point Smith, in common with just about every other Rangers fan, thought that was it. He feared the worst because, despite his charm and airy waffle, Green just didnâ??t connect with the masses. But he chimed with the administrators, especially his £8.5m CVA offer. It isnâ??t known if that exact amount was ever deposited with Duff and Phelps but when HMRC refused the CVA on Tuesday, Green was able to secure the assets and transfer of ownership for £3m less. After yesterdayâ??s meeting of creditors, Green believed his route was clear. But it had become badly rutted, especially after the McCoist bombshell went off. Then Smith stepped forward and within minutes of releasing his declaration of intent, the Rangers fans reacted with unbridled joy. They assumed Green would accept the first offer and step aside. But of course Green, who has put a lot of time and effort, if not a penny of his own money, into buying the club isnâ??t easily fazed. Heâ??ll bluff this out if he has to and last night one of his investors was suggesting anyone who wants to buy them out will have to come up with £20m. Thatâ??s just not going to happen and Green will be in a vulnerable position if he canâ??t sell season-tickets. Greenâ??s problem is that because he is an unknown he lacks credibility and football fans need to believe in their leaders. When Smith speaks, fans listen and believe. He said: â??I would hope that this offer is fully supported by everyone in the Rangers family as without them the club cannot and will not survive. â??We therefore want to ensure honesty and transparency in everything we do. We want to rebuild Rangers Football Club and in doing so return the institution to the standards it is known for.â? He could have delivered that in Russian and heâ??d still have been hailed. And this is what Green is up against now. Smith isnâ??t just another bidder, heâ??s the real thing. Heâ??s a fan, a stalwart and someone who has nothing but the clubâ??s interests at heart. In return for his support Smith demanded his group sign up to an open policy which would never exclude the fans. He insists they must be kept in the loop and that they get the truth no matter how painful it might be to hear. Theyâ??ll love him for that and the men who kept asking him to come off the golf course and get back to work knew they needed him. But until only a few days ago he was still unsure if he needed this gig. One call changed everything. He phoned his best mate at the beginning of the week and when the conversation turned to Rangers the bloke on the other end of the phone broke down. Smith told me: â??I was holding the phone listening to a mate crying because he feared for his club and I knew then I couldnâ??t stand idle.â? He made another call and said simply: â??Iâ??m in.â? But so is Green, who gathered his men around him and was standing firm last night. Smithâ??s lot didnâ??t expect to breeze in but they know the fans who wonâ??t buy into the Green party will subscribe to them, knowing they can generate power together. And that people power can be a formidable force.

your wrong about ff I went on last night and it was full of stuff like he's to late and greens done nothing wrong.

mine used to call me the orangeutang. but never to my face.

actually I would say letting green stew while sponsors pull out etc wound be the way to go.

difference is no green. and everyone says so re the 5 points.