the gunslinger

bit optimistic imho but the bit about hospitality is important. d park spends a lot in there. I harte the same. the likes of a smillie has dozens of season books and hospitality. talk on ff of central car auctions withdrawing sponsorship to back Walter.

RANGERS AND WALTER SMITH NOW SURE TO TRIUMPH FOR the first time in many months, Rangers supporters were able to go to bed last night and sleep the sleep of the saved. Like Winston Churchill at the end of that day of infamy, Sunday December 7th, 1941, those who follow Rangers now know that salvation for their great club is at hand. ‘Sir’ Walter Smith is riding to their rescue. And if Charles Green thinks he can halt Smith, or sweet talk him into jumping the dyke, then he has no knowledge of the man. As the war for the heart and soul of Rangers, sparked by the news that Alastair McCoist does not trust Charles Green, broke out last night, Green made his first major tactical blunder. In fact, not merely major, but catastrophic. Charles Green went public with a desperate plea to Walter Smith to abandon the men he has pledged his allegiance to and jump the dyke. Those who know Smith will tell you, that snake oil salesman pitch from Charles Green will not only have strengthened Smith’s always steely determination, but it will also have made Smith furious. Furious that Green should bandy his name about as some sort of pawn, without first speaking to him. And even more furious that Charles Green should have even thought that Smith is the sort of man to be tempted by such a charlatan. For the one thing those close to the man who has won 21 trophies for Rangers, along with others who have observed him closely for 30 years, can also tell you, is that it is a mistake to make Walter Smith angry. A bad mistake. A fatal mistake. And Charles Green has made just such an error. In my view, those latest ill chosen words from what looks like an increasingly bizarre Charles Green, will now turn the fight for the heart and soul of Rangers and the title deeds to Ibrox Stadium, into a more bitter and acrimonious battle than it needed to be. And it is a battle which will see the big battalions of the Rangers support side with Walter Smith. For he is a man of integrity. He is a man they know. He is a man in whom they can place their trust. Walter Smith is a Rangers man! Through and through! Charles Green knows the only way he can make money from Rangers – and a fast buck is all he wants – is to fill his coffers quickly with season ticket money from the rank and file Rangers fans. And top it up with another couple of million from the fat cats in the Members’ Section. All to the tune of £16M. To be followed by a share issue which Green wants the fans to contribute £30M to. All before the end of July. I’ve got news for Charles Green, who every day grows more and more like Compo from Last of the Summer Wine. You’ve got no chance! Not a prayer! Not a snowball’s chance in Hell. Rangers supporters will not be buying season tickets for as long as he is inside Ibrox. Rangers fans will not be shelling out for any share issue to line the pockets of Charles Green. And I have got a wee word of advice for Charles Alexander Green, date of birth, 23, May, 1953. Be very careful your past does not start catching up with you now that the gloves are really off in this fight for the heart and soul of Rangers. But there is a way out for him. A way in which Charles Green can depart with some honour and a little dignity. Plus a few quid too. Green should now take whatever reasonable offer he is made by the Walter Smith led consortium of money men and Rangers men. He should take it and move on. Cut and run. For what he did by trying to sweet talk Walter Smith into jumping the dyke was like taking a knife along to a gun fight. Rangers supporters will not buy season tickets for as long as Charles Green remains at Ibrox to get his money grabbing mitts on their hard earned dough.. They will not buy into a £30M share issue if Charles Green continues to lord it at The Stadium on the back of money from Rangers fans. Therefore, Charles Green will not be able to make the big bucks out of Rangers that he planned to. He will not be able to rip Rangers off and then scurry away, leaving goodness knows what sort of mess behind, with it being odds-on Rangers being back in administration again in anything between six and eighteen months. And despite his bluster and boasting, despite his Compo-like appearance and accent, Charles Green cannot be stupid enough not to know that with the appearance of Walter Smith, his chances of pulling off that coup have now gone with the wind. He has always claimed that as well as making a fast buck, he wanted to do what was right for Rangers. So far he has failed to convince the overwhelming majority of Rangers supporters of the truth of that. Now he has a golden chance to do just that. To show he really does have the good of Rangers at heart. All Charles Green has to do is meet with the tough talking shrewd and tenacious businessmen who will give him the chance to negotiate himself out of danger and sign off Rangers to Walter Smith and his formidable alliance of money men and Rangers men. Just as what followed the sleep of the saved in December 1941, the road to victory is still littered with obstacles and there are still battles to be fought. But just as Winston Churchill knew when he slept the sleep of the saved, that the final victory was inevitable , so too do Rangers supporters, greeting today, know that with Walter Smith leading them, the Promised Land will be reached.

mcoll and park have both spoken to green. many times in parks case at least. they don't trust him or want him at rangers. they won't be giving him cash.

agreed. I've always said tbk need as much scrutiny as any other bid. though I'm clearly not the person to do that. never had a problem with people asking questions of tbk. even the ones asking the same questions over and over again despite knowing the answers.

well it looks like this is what would have happened. not quite tbk.

I have man love for Chris graham. if only he had snapped spiers finger I would name my first born in his honour.

lol Walters in with dougie park now and souness said he wouldn't touch green only backed his mate Brian Kennedy. show me the lies or stop talking shite.

we need answers from everyone. we know even less about ng's bid. not that we know much about green or Walters. it would also be better if we didn't have a bidding war probably. which for me means I would like to see ng step asside or better still back Walter. though I've never had a problem with ng. his we bit about the cwc final was a mistake but typical of Asian over enthusiasm imho. he seemed to have the cash and was just another victim of d&p.

smith points finger of blame at one man Published on 27 April 2012 Michael Grant A LOOK of reluctance flashed over Walter Smith's face but he swallowed hard and got the words out. Coming up with withering criticism of Craig Whyte came easily to the former Rangers manager on a return visit to Ibrox yesterday, but being asked for an opinion on the extent of Sir David Murray's culpability was another matter. Murray and Smith lived high on the hog together when the trophies stockpiled at Rangers in the 1990s, Murray delivering the money and Smith the silver. The double act worked again from 2007-10, even if Smith was given far less to spend second time around. The relationship was as tight as any between a chairman and his manager, but Smith is a close enough observer of Rangers' implosion to know that Murray must shoulder an enormous amount of responsibility for what has happened to them. Never mind his decision to use Employee Benefit Trusts – which could land the club with another enormous tax bill and brutal punishments from the SPL if an investigation finds them guilty of undisclosed payments to players – it was Murray who handed the Ibrox keys to Whyte. "There is obviously a responsibility there that they take; Sir David Murray and the Murray Group," said Smith. "They have got a bit to answer for. Sir David has come out and said that he can only apologise. I never thought I would read anywhere a quote from him saying he was 'duped'. But, there you are, it happened. It has happened now. "The problem we have is that he [Whyte] is still here. That is the biggest problem Rangers have. It doesn't matter that the administrators [Duff & Phelps] come out and 'say Craig Whyte is an irrelevance'. He seems to be showing otherwise. I think that is the biggest crime at the moment, that he still has the capability of affecting what happens at the football club." Smith and Murray were brothers-in-arms for years. He has no such bond with Whyte. "There were a lot of people working at Rangers who had no idea what he was doing. They're not kidding people on: they didn't have an idea what was happening. But you can bring the SFA into it, too." When former chairman Alastair Johnston and chief executive Martin Bain questioned Whyte's credentials at the time of the takeover, said Smith, had their reservations been notified to the SFA? "If they were, then the SFA are compliant in that as well." He spoke about Whyte with a barely disguised combination of contempt and disbelief. What galled him most was the non-payment of taxes and bills: not as a consequence of running out of money, but as brazen strategy and policy decision from the outset. "What I can't stomach with him is that right from the very start this has been an intentional aspect of his ownership. That's really difficult to accept for those of us who have been involved at the club for a long time. To be quite honest, I would say at the present moment I just hope that the club is sold and he is away, and that we can recover again and basically forget all about him. "He had previous of closing companies and making ordinary people unemployed. That, to me, would maybe sum him up more than anything else. Anyone who could do that in my mind isn't someone I want to spend a great deal of time thinking about to be honest with you. Craig Whyte? His time will be remembered, that is one certainty. "In a 'normal' administration clubs have gone into it because of a general inability to pay their bills. What happened here was that an individual chose not to pay the bills, so it wasn't the club's inability to pay their debts that has put them into the administration it was the fact that one individual didn't want to pay the bills. The circumstances are different and I think it should be looked at in a different light from other situations." Smith's view is that Rangers had not reneged on any bills before Whyte took over. Although the "big tax case" had arisen, they were reducing their debt to Lloyds Banking Group and were no longer spending way beyond their means. "Rangers had to operate under stringent restraints and I complained because I had to field what I thought was the best team. But we went nearly three years without signing a player. It wasn't as if we were gaining a major advantage over the last few years by spending money we didn't have, winning league championships, going into administration and walking away." What Smith did do, unwittingly, was step down as manager last May and leave his successor, prodigy and friend to deal with what became the meltdown of Whyte's mismanagement. "Ally has seen this dismantle in front of him and he has had to handle it, which he has done brilliantly because there has been nobody there to help him. There are no directors, it has only been Ally and the administrators. He has had to handle an awful lot. "There is nobody there. Even if somebody says he can come to somebody that he knows who is more experienced – like myself, Sir Alex Ferguson or others he speaks to – we have never been in this sort of situation. There is no one there who can help him." McCoist himself, meanwhile, issued a statement yesterday distancing himself from yobs who had threatened the members of the SFA's Judicial Panel who imposed a £160,000 fine and one-year signing embargo on the club. The manager said he was disgusted by the turn of events. McCoist had called for the anonymous panel members to be publicly named. "When I called for full transparency on Tuesday I took the view that the decision by the Judicial Panel should be subject to proper scrutiny," he said. "I fully understand that there are difficult decisions to be taken in football and they will never suit everyone but in this day and age clarity and transparency are surely of paramount importance. "That said, I would not for one moment want anyone to interpret my remarks as a signal to engage in any form of threatening behaviour. Such activity disgusts me and anyone who engages in it does Rangers Football Club nothing but harm." still not having a major go at sdm mind you.

I saw an article the other day saying sdm had to shoulder a lot of the blame or similar. I will have a look.

yeah and it can be delayed. IIRC.

I would back ng over green happily never mind this. green just can't help but contradict himself everytime he speeks. its worrying.

Walters rather changed his mind on sdm of late and people usually say nice things about their boss's.

when would we be able to tell? first set of financials?

greens about the only name they had and he's the figurehead. the rst backed it because they like it. I don't believe Walter asked them to back it. the timings interesting. I will say this green was struggling to get the 5.5 million together as late as Wednesday. some stent convinced he's got it yet. perhaps they hoped he wouldn't. but your right as is bluedell lots of questions requiring answers.

Walter clearly trusts them.

its exactly what tbk offered. cva no newco. there's a case for saying hmrc wanted liquidation and green offered them it on a plate. as for greens 20 million. many factors still to come into play. sponsors pulling out (central car auctions already?). does green own the players. let's say naisy and greegs say they will sign New deals under Walter. not hugely likely but not impossible then the pressure cranks up. can green run us with half season book income if lots don't renew and even before this it was going to fall.

I would trust Walter with my life bluedell and even more so with rangers life. I agree with you though.

I think people were thrown when d&p tied up the newco deal as part of the cva proposal. that very clearly wasn't best for the creditors. but they had a mandate to do it.

not long ago he was telling us he spoke to souness before bidding.

would be nice if green did the same. right now neither have told us much of anything. so your always going to pick the multi millionaire rangers men over the hedge funds.

considering he saved weird pumps from oblivion I would be surprised if he wasn't liked.

its perfectly clear that if green hadn't come along the club wouldn't have closed. he talks some shite.

didn't he only name about 3 investors. what's 100 divided by 3.

d&p have much to answer for in terms of the cva. even greens intimated that much.