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I have to agree. If he was a 30 goal a season striker with undoubted quality, you would have to bit your tongue and deal with this extras but we are well covered in that part of the pitch. I tend to think if he stays, it's just going to be the Barton-sideshow and tbh, that's the last thing we need right now

Christ, what a depressing thread. I often wonder if fans of other team like Arsenal for example, spend time on forums discussing the relative meaning of certain words and songs, hanging effigies, vandalism, people mocking the dead. etc. I dream of reading this forum one day to find that the main page is football content only. (and that's not a dig at this forum BTW!)

I had the unbelievable experience of having to defend my 6 year old son and myself from a couple of idiots at a game at Ibrox as they took umbrage at his tartan scarf. It was a freezing day and he wanted to wear his classic Royal Stewart tartan which he loved and to perfectly honest I didn't even think twice about it. More fool me. Upon hearing the silly abuse and then seeing his normally placid father being quite heated, he got distressed and we left half way through the game. Needless to say he has said that he never wants to go back to football ever again and tbh, I haven't gone back to Ibrox since. PS. If you look at the footage of the fans in Barca 72, there are plenty of Lion Rampants and Saltires on display.

Does it really matter who stuck him in? If he was on the pitch causing bother he deserves all he gets IMO.

In 2012, Lenaghan and fellow Vanguard Bears member Tommy Mathers spoke about the group to the Shankill Mirror in Belfast. Leneghan said: “We are very active in defending the views of the PUL [Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist] communities in both Ulster and Scotland. “Vanguard Bears are a proactive group set up to defend the traditions of Rangers, along with all aspects of traditions within the PUL community, including the right to remain British" Fair enough if that's what you're into but I don't agree with them using the name of Rangers as a vehicle for their political beliefs.

Follow Follow with the Celtic and Dublin parts replaced. ie. Europe for Dublin. Not sure what could replace the Celtic line. I would want no mention if them in any Rangers song

"The press up there seemed to be very pro-Rangers" Jeso, who is publishing this garbage? VIZ publications?

Did they actually say that? TBH I stopped listening to what Alex McLeish has to say about football a long time ago.

Did he get that tip from Paul Ince? Do you remember when he was the Blackburn boss and they zoomed in on his notes during MOTD. The page showed a set of goals with the words saying shoot. Comedy gold

Agreed but that picture made me roll my eyes. As much as I know that charts/diagrams are part of modern football but to me they are quite annoying. On sunday at Pittodrie, Davie Weir took about 2/3 minutes going through a multi page document with full colour images with a sub (can't remember who tbh). What the hell is he telling him that he shouldn't already know? It made me laugh tbh. Old Fergie was one manager you never saw with a pad or flip chart and he did quite well...

I think the reaction to Garner and any new player is very symptomatic of how modern football is viewed in general. Form has now become 3/4 games (good and bad) instead of a full/half season and if you don't hit the ground running you are under pressure from fans. Alternatively, you score a few goals in a few games and the immediate reaction is 1. Get the player on a new contract with mega bucks. 2. Get the player in the International squad. (Adnan Januzaj anyone?). Football has lost the plot IMO Give Garner time. He's come into a team that's off form and trying to find it's way. He needs games and more importantly goals. Only then we can see if he is right fit. Patience please.

And so they should be but with the analogy above I presume you are referring to the GB? I think there is a big difference between the Green Brigade crowd and your average Celtic fan that flies a basic Irish flag/colours due to their heritage. All the Celtic fans I know regard the GB as publicity seeking loon balls and detest what they do in the name of Celtic. Anyhoo...I'm on a Rangers forum defending Celtic fans for goodness sakes. Let's get back to talking about the Gers and 3 huge points against the mighty Thistle. Oh how times have changed...

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Great post. I think you'll find that are more non-traditional Rangers fan you think. I'll end with a small postscript. In my own circle of friends/family there was much debate during the Indy referendum and it turned out that 80% of the Gers fans were pro-Independence and all the Celtic fans were against Independence ie. Having Unionist tendencies. Make of that what you will

I'm sure there is a faction that thrives on the hatred business but c'mon mate. Who cares if there are fans that are fond of Ireland and want to fly the Irish flag. It is quite integral to their founding so why do we care? I find this absurd fear of all things "Ireland" utterly baffling. I think it's utterly disrespectful to ask people of any heritage to somehow downsize the importance it has in their lives because they have moved to another country. And with regards to Scottish flags at CP, there's not many on show at Ibrox these days tbh.

Where did I say it's ok to hate the country of your birth? And 1st/2nd generation is hardly a distant relative is it? I think your tarring a lot of people with a Green Brigade style brush. I know a lot of Scots of Irish heritage that certainly don't hate Scotland. In face they love it here and are thankful for what Scotland has provided for their families.

I don't mean to be arsey again but you don't understand why someone born here would want to have some kind of affinity with their parents Irish heritage? I would have thought that was quite a natural thing to do/feel? Maybe there are a lot Irish people want to stay in Scotland because of our own rich heritage, culture and geography and let's not forget substantially superior job prospects and educational opportunities. Ireland's a great country but let's not forget it's mainly rural. Opportunities and jobs for young people/adults are limited and that is why mass migration is still in evidence.

I'm not sure why you would find the "love in" with Ireland strange? A lot of Scots of Irish heritage are 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrants who, like most Irish migrants around the world, still have an affinity with their families country. I would be the same myself about Scotland if I was an immigrant. I don't have a truck with this tbh.

Fair comments JFK. I live in south Glasgow and I'm a Glaswegian born and bred. I'm not naïve to think that there is not sectarian bile out there but outwith the tribalism of football, I just don't see it in my everyday life.

A foul or not a foul? Who cares? The game should have been over by then. I cannot stand this focus on one decision. It's not the Rangers way and reeks of Septic's paranoid masses.

Sorry JFK. I live here and certainly don't subscribe to this sick nation nonsense. Take football out of the equation and I don't see it. Even comparing Scotland to whatever is happening in NI is something I don't get. Religion of the Christian variety is dying in Scotland and will be non existent in 2/3 generations IMO. Outwith football can you please provide examples of the sectarianism that is all around? I'm not being arsey but I just don't see it

C'mon. Let's put things in perspective. Dehumanising of Jews? FFS. Do you realise that the majority of people in Scotland didn't even know that Rangers and Aberdeen were playing yesterday? Let's not turn the actions of a minority into the "State of the Nation". Not only are Rangers troubles irrelevant to most people in this country, football in general means nothing.

I still have faith in the manager as we need to give him time with the new set of players but I'll be honest I'm kind of slowly edging that way myself after today. After where we have come from over the last 3/4 years, I admire the possession game we are trying to adopt but it needs more bite in the final third. For the amount of ball retention we have, we create very little in terms of out and out chances in a lot of games rarely trouble the opposition keeper. I can't blame the strikers as I feel they are getting very little in the way of service. It would be a different story if we created chance after chance and our strikers were firing blanks but they're not even getting the chances IMO. I know we created a few today but to quote Advocaat from back in the day, they were not 100% chances. They were half chances and "moments". I still feel we need that player that can play in the lines between midfield and our strikers.

I still have faith in the manager as we need to give him time with the new set of players but I'll be honest I'm kind of slowly edging that way myself after today. After where we have come from over the last 3/4 years, I admire the possession game we are trying to adopt but it needs more bite in the final third. For the amount of ball retention we have, we create very little in terms of out and out chances in a lot of games rarely trouble the opposition keeper. I can't blame the strikers as I feel they are getting very little in the way of service. It would be a different story if we created chance after chance and our strikers were firing blanks but they're not even getting the chances IMO. I know we created a few today but to quote Advocaat from back in the day, they were not 100% chances. They were half chances and "moments". I still feel we need that player that can play in the lines between midfield and our strikers.

I don't think he did much wrong tbh but I'm not sure what he added by coming on. McKay was far more wasteful with the ball IMO