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We knew Laudrup was a legend after his first season - that status didn't need any time to mature...

I've always found Kenny to be a frustrating player. He's scored a lot of crucial goals but he's missed a lot as well when we needed them. He had one really good season where he looked like he'd matured into a bit of class - and then left us at the drop of a hat. Overall, I think he's been quite a good player for us, but not a great one - maybe with the exception of that one season.

To be honest, I think that flick makes the Oduwa one look a bit of an epic fail. Main differences is that Neymar didn't have many options and crucially, he succeeded with it, and it also seemed a spur of the moment decision to get out of a tight spot. With Oduwa, he had plenty of options and space, and despite looking like he completely premeditated it, lost the ball against a Scottish second tier player, at a time when keeping possession was easy. I also don't think it looks like Neymar did this to entertain or to showboat, it seemed purely to beat his man with others closing in and advance the play. For me, that's what it should be about.

I'm not sure why you're struggling with this, as an accountant I'd expect you to be used to this kind of stuff. Maybe it's not the best analogy but maybe you need to think of it as like a classic car valuation site. It gives a generic value before you add in condition, mileage, accessories, restoration quality, and provenance. Because no car is the same and each will go for a different price even depending on how good the haggling is, the time of year and how much interest is, or some guy needs money quick. That doesn't make the site inaccurate or lacking in value. You might know a car that has a certain valuation but know it was a former Le Mans winner owned by James Dean, and then laugh ludicrously at the valuation... Or you know another one that is crumbling to bits with rust and everything is rotten or broken. However, if the car is pretty average you know what price to pay, if it's not you start with that value and adjust from that, up or down, depending on the factors. In your paradigm, there is no such thing as accuracy and the price is what is agreed, as a number plucked out the air. In that case, I don't know what you're arguing about. It's strange to argue how accurate something is, if you don't believe that accuracy actually exists.

Until someone wants to buy him or the club increase his salary, the answer is, yes. That will probably be close to his book value. I'm not sure if players still count as an asset on the balance sheet, but if it is, I think that will be close to what is in the accounts. Obviously he has shown his worth is more than his book value - hence he will be offered a new, increased contract soon, and I'm sure that website will update his valuation accordingly... I think the more pressing question is how accurate are the wage assumptions of the site?

While it might not be accurate due to many factors, I don't see how it's "wrong". It's exactly how much his club value him as an employee at the time. It's definitely a starting point in valuations and why O'Halloran wasn't worth say 1m to us, no matter how much Hibs wanted more money. Had they been paying him 20k a week, they could easily have justified a lot more money - but then he'd have to justify the wage. It also explains why a player with three years left on his contract will usually be worth a good bit more than when he only has one. No matter how wrong you think it is, I think in reality it is a very tangilble factor that can't be ignored, and without it people are just plucking numbers out the air, rather than making an well considered assessment.

I would imagine that the valuations given are a calculation of the players weekly wage, multiplied by the number of weeks left on his contract. That is an objective starting point and any transfer fee would then take into account the subjective of how much the new team want him compared to the price given, and how much the current team want to keep him compared to the money offered.

If that's "just the way he plays", then perhaps he should be banned for life... That's not football, and I wouldn't want to play with anyone who does that kind of stuff all the time as their "style" with absolutely no contrition.

So that's 31 years of signing Catholic after Catholic and we still get the shit. Ironically, I think if you look at the last 30 years through the microscope of equality employment, I think we'd find that we'd under-represented non-Catholics compared to the population demographics. I am also confident that Celtic would fail abysmally there and would be shown to be extrememely sectarian in their employment policiy this regard throughout their history. The strange two strange myths they keep using to defend this, is that it's only sectarian when it's exclusive non-employment and the hidden implication that Catholics make up 50% of the population.

Didn't John Spencer sign for Rangers in 1985?

Should we await the outcry from the usual suspects on all matters relating to supporter trouble (when Rangers related), or shoundn't we hold our breath?

I think while it looks like banter, it is a public forum and so could plausibly incite some other moron into taking it seriously and committing a violent act. People seem to forget they are broadcasting their words, just like newspapers, tv and radio, and some caution and responsibility is required. It is NOT the same as chatting with your mates in private. This is the equivalent of a megaphone... However, for me, it should be treated as nothing more than a trivial misdemeanour.

Seems to me that maybe you can afford a season ticket and a few beers etc - but obviously have less money left after that spend. "Afford" is a funny word and really it's about priorities. Not affording something when you have money is saying that the amount is earmarked for something you consider more important. When you already have spent a lot on something, spending more becomes lower and lower in priority unless it has extra appeal. As said, the ticket for a game you don't want to miss becomes high priority. I don't think it has ever been that much different. Cup crowds are generally low for most clubs throughout history, except against the top few sides, derbies or the latter stages. It could be argued that there are far less proportion of Rangers fans coming out of the wood work for a final than the vast marjority of other clubs - generally less people get a ticket than the average crowd at a league game at Ibrox. I've always thought that there should be a points system to getting final tickets based on how many previous rounds you went to and then to season ticket holders. Perhaps there is.

Like I said, I hadn't actually read it anywhere - not explicitly anyway. Maybe I missed it. I thought it was interesting to see it spelled out as confirmation.

Something interesting I read in the Mail, that I haven't read elsewhere:

So just who are the dim Tims rooting for here?

Yes, but the board also say they will contest these contracts in court.

I think once you've budgeted for a season ticket and the other expenses of the league games then it's hard to start justifying more money for cup games (moreso to the wives when you have kids), especially when these days, they are not that enticing. The SP is a one horse race and so not an interesting league for most of us, and the lower divisions just means more games against teams we've now seen plenty of. Of course there are some who spend vast sums folling the club to every game and they will obviously be there, as will others - it looks like about every second regular will attend. Some will just pick and choose which cup games to go to depending on their circumstances and "botheredness". If there were no season tickets and it was all pay as you go, I think we'd just see a more even spread, enhanced with things like Saturday at 3pm, no TV and the weather, being as important as the attractiveness of the opposition.

I make it about 5m - as that's about the equivalent we were getting a year from JJB. The few hundred grand we do get is offset by inflation and any interest we saved on the JJB upfront payment. So about 5m a year. At the time that was also conisdered lower than we could make if we marketed our merchandise ourselves as we did previously. We used to make more than any club in the UK bar Man U, so who knows what the current income would be, epecially with fans happy to help the club out in its time of need.

I think one of the biggest reasons for things like the return of TBB is that while the fans to a great extent did their bit after a ton of one sided criticism, deserved great credit but instead have been subjected to a further torrent of unjustified criticism as well as what can only be described as extended abuse by the media. Why change when your critics have no credibility left?

This was my god-son's first match - his father is a Tim and so sadly so is he. If it was a decade ago I'd probably have hoped for a good result just for him and an enjoyable game. But things have dramatically changed and I have the very guilty pleasure in this result and the hope that it might put him off a bit... I really don't want him getting involved with the stench of malignancy that the Celtic minded wallow in these days. I don't have any desire at all for him to support Rangers, but I really don't want the Tims to rub off on him.

For me he seemed quite intellectual until I started to doubt his content and instead had the impression that he just used a thesaurus and deliberately picked synonyms that most readers (and I suspect also himself) wouldn’t understand. There is a difference to that and using a rich vocabulary to give a varied, more accurate and more interesting prose in an article. I also found his style of writing became very self-indulgent, pompous and full of his own importance. Then his mask started to slip after he fell out with Murray. I wholly agree with Richard Wilson, don’t know much about TE with other sports but then I can’t imagine his obvious bigotry and narrow mindedness coming out in other sports, so if he’s any good then that will show. I always find it ironic that his biggest argument against Rangers is that he knows the board were “obviously at it”, when it is just as damning for him that we know that he is “obviously at it”. Completely agree with all that, and a bit sad that so little of the balance and insight we desire exists these days. Again I agree, except perhaps in that he’s gone so far down the narcissistic road, that the personal humiliation of taking any sort of U-turn will be far too damaging to his ego. He is as averse to humble pie as he is to succulent lamb.

If someone is talking a lot of shit, shouldn't it be easy to show why, instead of having so little to back up your opinion, that all you can say is, "you talk shite"? Didn't you go on about someone at your school being a fanny because he thought he was tough because he could beat up the girls? Well in the context of a forum, resorting to" you talk shite" without explanation is so pathetically, snivellingly weak that using your metaphor, you would easily get beaten up by the smallest girl in your school. You might get away with that empty, shouty swagger among your school chums, but you will be out of your depth on here where you get no respect for acting like you think you're tough. You need to realise when you're not with your school chums that others will disagree with you, and will have good reason to do so. If you think you know better, then prove it. You seem to go into melt down when McCoist is mentioned, he really is your personal demon. Maybe it's time to chill a bit.

Not sure whether that path for youngsters is fully in place yet. The number of top team chances for teenagers in our youth academy has actually been very limited, probably in large due to the playing of Oduwa, Ball and Zelalem. Mackay is the only one given real game time, at 20-21 years old and had already had plenty of game time while 17-18.

Squandered millions in tranfers? Eh? I'm agianst him for the amount of money he took in wages - regards the shares, I won't pass judgement unless he sells them. Defend him? How about just defending common sense? Or defending a forum against tedious and eroneous finger pointing? You've obviously been surround by those that think similarly and so like to have fun getting stuck in, but there's a lot more debate on here.