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Celtic not have him back to train there in the Canadian close season?

Better than Ibra for me. Yeh, far closer in but under greater pressure from a defender and actually had to beat a keeper not just hit the target. Dips right into the top corner. Un-save-able?

Maybe you are correct and maybe i've misjudged how others who aren't, as you say politically active, will have seen it that way. It didn't necessarily come across that way to me, but I am in a very small minority. I should point out I'm not trying to dig up Chris at all as he has obviously made a huge contribution, much more than myself. Just pointing out my views.

Still just cant agree with this. We are all seeing what we want to see. But we only think he "won" the debate because we know the facts. Anyone who isn't on Gersnet, FF etc will think Speirs held his own as he was able to refute anything put to him and the liar comments weren't pressed home with facts. This was an opportunity to highlight to those who don't know and who aren't of a Rangers persuasion of Speirs etc agenda. I'm not saying there should have been ranting and raving, but the advantage could have been pressed home more. It was all pretty tame.

Good shout, I like it. Or maybe riding away from Ibrox and towards the SPL HQ?

Whilst in principle I agree, last time the SPL clubs listened to their fans it led to them kicking Rangers out of the SPL on the basis we were guilty in the BTC before the evidence was ruled on by the experts.

I have to wonder, does this car crash give them a convenient excuse to enact the plan that they want to follow through? They can really now have a judgement against us that results in title stripping. They would surely get pilloried for it, even by our press. It would be farcical. Sit and have the judgement in 3-4 months when its all died down and maybe they can pull out the title stripping card again to much less protestations (bar our own)?

SO if they're anything like the BTC that will be jan/feb 2014?

Cheers Gav, how the fuck can the man bare faced lie like that on national tv and get away with it. This is where I agree with pete that fury allowed him to get off lightly. Could've nailed him to the wall on that one.

Maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick, been a lot to take in. But pretty certain Speirs has been shown to be lying about his comments.

Does the SPL have a facebook page or twitter that Rangers fans could bombard with points like this and the hundreds that have cropped up since yesterdays announcement. We've been pretty much ignored for years. But perhaps using social media would be a way to get our voices out there and publicly pressure the SPL to "do the right thing".

Watch the videos from last nights tv. Lies and says he called us cheats in regards to the small tax case. This is a proven lie as he tweets calling us cheats for years of non tax payments, but the small tax case refers only to White's less than a year in charge. SO, no, he wont apologise. He'll just lie his way out of it.

Having watched i'm in agreement.

The club and officials related to it had always maintained their confidence in a positive outcome. As, surely, did those involved from and HMRC perspective. I guess in this situation it is largely posturing and you must show confidence of winning otherwise it demonstrates a lack of conviction in your own case being represented. What I do not understand is why everyone else in Scottish football and our media (bar one or two journos) all took the HRMC side prior to the decision and assumed they were the ones who were rightly confident. Where was this persistent drip of information that led so many to believe we were going to hammered with a huge verdict.

Only bit I disagree with is HMRC witch hunt. It wasn't just them it was a witch hunt from them and the SFA, SPL, member clubs, particularly Celtic and anyone with a connection to that poisonous club, our media and more.

Traynor is writing a lot of sense currently. A couple of unnecessary or bullshit comments in there (e.g. is it still the same club. But overall it's good to see that not all journos are just in a job for Rangers bashing.

We had it all summer and even in to the season as the transfer window stayed open. All these SPL teams blaming their financial woes on Rangers. Any negative press statement by a team would contain a veiled or obvious reference to Rangers and our apparent "financial doping" and subsequent relocation in div 3. That's why certain teams couldn't buy players or were struggling financially. Well with this announcement on the tax case it transpires that it is all their own fault. They were already living outwith their means and they compounded these errors by kicking their cash cow out of the league and further damaging their own finances. They tried to make out morally they had to kick us out of the league and the responsibility was ours. But it was all down to them and in their rush to kick us they have likely hugely damaged their own clubs. I will not be sorry to see some of them going bust.

Surprised he went on the programme, usual form would be to avoid something like this where he'd get a verbal hiding. Not had a chance to watch yet, but will do.

Thinking on this more. The thing that really stinks for me is all these (predominantly) celtic minded people who had "insider" information that we had lost the case or would be losing the case. This dodgy committee that was formed with the individual intention of stripping titles and all these people who had already decided we were guilty before any evidence was seen and were merely deciding which punishments were appropriate and how hard they could hammer us. Where did this over confidence come from and why did they decide we were guilty before the case had even been heard? Did they assume like anything to do with football and the SPL, that when it's Rangers we're always guilty. Regardless of the cold hard facts. Something really, really stinks about all that and I can't really put my finger on it or even explain what I mean fully.

These statements dont go far enough for me. Much like the refs who wouldn't name Celtic as the reason for the strike the other year, we should name names. We should identify this Celtic supporting scum bag lawyer and state that he is not doing this out of lawful right or sporting integrity but from bigotry and prejudice and jealousy of the countries greatest club.

Pretty much covered in main thread which I missed at first glance.

Had today's ruling come through a bit earlier, had Whyte not bought the club and avoided paying tax would we still have been liquidated and in div 3? Or is this ruling completely separate to that? Some of this financial stuff is way above my head tbh? Are there other liabilities that would mean we would still be where we are now or was it merely the spectre of this "potential £130m+" that has left us where we are? Ps on another note the BBC article on this is a disgrace with repeated mentions to new club, old club etc and down right disingenuous reporting.

On what grounds would we not?

"The old firm are back together on ESPN" they state. I wonder, what the fuck is this all about? We both happen to have games in the coming weeks. The "Big teams" in the SPL not a big enough draw on their own huh?

I've made a thread about this in previous years but poached this from FF as it interests me. (Granted many will find it dull, but I find it quite interesting: )