Gazza_8 233 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I don't blame either player for rrejecting contracts, WS has a habit of ignoring the youth players. If they do decide to leave then the run the risk of going down the same path as Steven MacLean who's disappeared. Catch 22 for them. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,061 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I don't blame either player for rrejecting contracts, WS has a habit of ignoring the youth players. If they do decide to leave then the run the risk of going down the same path as Steven MacLean who's disappeared. Catch 22 for them. He's been playing Wilson and Fleck has had limited opportunities because of the form of Miller; Steven McLean is a different class altogether. These youngsters are our real future. Wilson may fetch �£2m now, but that's peanuts when you consider what we could get once he's had a bit more experience against better opposition, viz Champions League. Once we accept the idea of selling off the family silver then we've just become a selling club, like Hibs. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza_8 233 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I think we are a selling club, albeit for the time being. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,415 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I think if this is true that these two players need a hard kick up the arse and told to sign the new contract or GTF, who do they think they are ?, they have done nothing in their careers yet but what they have done is get a chance to have a great career thanks to Rangers 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I don't blame either player for rrejecting contracts, WS has a habit of ignoring the youth players. If they do decide to leave then the run the risk of going down the same path as Steven MacLean who's disappeared. Catch 22 for them. This has got to be way harsh on Walter - who has played the youngest player for any team in a Scottish Cup final EVER, and the youngest Rangers player in Europe EVER. And that's actually the two players you are talking about - does that sound like a manager who hasn't given them a chance? Shouldn't Steven MacLean be world class by now seeing as he escaped the alleged ruinous clutches of Walter Smith? The guy is now 27 and struggling to get a game for Plymouth Argyle. How is that Walter's fault? Could it be that it indicates that he was never good enough to play for Rangers in the first place? Sometimes it seems that when Walter even glances at a young player and he doesn't turn out world class, it must be his fault... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 PS Fleck has played 15 times this season including 3 CL games. It would probably have been more if it wasn't for injury and chicken pox... Wilson has played 8 games including 2 CL matches and one OF game. Little has played 4 games including one OF game. Not bad for two 17/18 year olds and a 20 year old. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 PS Fleck has played 15 times this season including 3 CL games. It would probably have been more if it wasn't for injury and chicken pox... And attitude problems associated with youth/immaturity. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter 0 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 From The Herald. WALTER SMITH at least appreciated the irony of the situation. For years, Rangers and Celtic have preyed on the smaller clubs in Scottish football ââ?¬â?? that is, everybody else ââ?¬â?? and picked off the best young players to come through their ranks. Now the tables have been turned. The hunters have become the hunted. Rangers have made Danny Wilson and John Fleck offers to extend their stay at Ibrox beyond the summer of 2011 and the pair have turned them down. It does not take the ingenuity of Sherlock Holmes to deduce, therefore, that unless they are going to become the first players for a century or so to move directly from one half of the Old Firm to the other, then England surely beckons. Money, apparently, is not their main motivation, hard as that is to believe these days. Both Fleck and Wilson share an English agent and it is understood the pair, despite their relative youth, already have designs on playing in the Barclays Premier League. Or as Sky Sports would have you believe, ââ?¬Å?the greatest league in the worldââ?¬Â. If criticism was levelled that they werenââ?¬â?¢t getting an opportunity, I could handle that. But they do get chances Walter Smith Smith has no complaints about losing talented players to bigger clubs. The Old Firm no longer operate in the same financial stratosphere as the top 30 clubs or so in England. Ergo, the talent will always drain south. Nor is the Rangers manager bitter about the prospect of losing two players that have been raised and reared in the clubââ?¬â?¢s youth system for the best part of a decade. No, Smithââ?¬â?¢s only gripe is that there has never been a better time to be a young player in Scottish football. Both Wilson and Fleck have been regulars in the Rangers squad for the last few months and can expect to feature with ever increasing regularity given there is more likelihood of Lord Lucan riding into Ibrox on the back of Shergar than Smith buying any new players in what remains of this transfer window. With Rangers having made their best offer to the pair, all they can do now is wait and see what develops. ââ?¬Å?Iââ?¬â?¢m not complaining as weââ?¬â?¢ll maybe take a player from a smaller club and bring them here,ââ?¬Â Smith said. ââ?¬Å?Itââ?¬â?¢s more the fact that if the kids werenââ?¬â?¢t getting an opportunity I would say, well fair enough. But kids now are getting an opportunity to play at Rangers and Celtic. It looks, though, as if that wonââ?¬â?¢t be enough. ââ?¬Å?Weââ?¬â?¢re looking at a situation in Scotland where all our younger players are seeing the Premier League in England as the league to play in. That may well be the case. Iââ?¬â?¢ve not had any conversations with the playersââ?¬â?¢ agents or others to find out their reasons for turning down the deals. But itââ?¬â?¢s quite straightforward. Theyââ?¬â?¢ve turned it down, so they must see an opportunity elsewhere which would probably England, I would imagine. ââ?¬Å?The disappointing aspect is that contractual aspects for 18-year-olds have been placed before careers. Thatââ?¬â?¢s maybe the most disappointing factor of it, especially when then younger boys are going to get far more opportunities just now. Itââ?¬â?¢s disappointing that weââ?¬â?¢ve got a couple of players who have come through the ranks and we think are going to be decent players, but see their future lying elsewhere. Could things change on that front? It certainly doesnââ?¬â?¢t look like it.ââ?¬Â Smith has been berated in the past for not giving young players a chance, but as he points out, there are few 18-year-old central defenders operating anywhere else in the country. Granted, Wilsonââ?¬â?¢s first-team opportunity may have arisen because there were precious few alternatives, but it is hard to imagine him, in his current, raw, unpolished state, slotting straight into the defence of a Premier League team down south. ââ?¬Å?Before, I could have seen a relevant reason for Danny wanting to move,ââ?¬Â Smith added. ââ?¬Å?Itââ?¬â?¢s always easier for managers to play a young forward, but if you look around you donââ?¬â?¢t see too many 18-year-old centre halves playing in the Champions League. It just doesnââ?¬â?¢t happen. ââ?¬Å?If the criticism was levelled that they werenââ?¬â?¢t getting an opportunity I could handle that. But they have been getting a chance.ââ?¬Â Smith did his best to shield the two 18-year-olds from the blame. He pointed out that they are not the ones handling the contract negotiations, while reminiscing about a time when the only people a club had to convince to sign a new contract were the player and his parents. ââ?¬Å?The situation the players are placed in with agents means that they [Wilson and Fleck] are not handling that aspect of things themselves,ââ?¬Â Smith added. ââ?¬Å?Itââ?¬â?¢s other people who are handling it for them. You canââ?¬â?¢t say itââ?¬â?¢s the younger people. There are agents there. Maybe thatââ?¬â?¢s something that is going to happen all over the place. ââ?¬Å?I havenââ?¬â?¢t spoken to the players about it much as the decision was taken quite recently. It used to be the boyââ?¬â?¢s father would come in, but now agents are involved. And I feel that aspect has changed their viewpoint just now.ââ?¬Â Hopefully we can get this sorted out. The agents may well have have advised them to wait and see what happens re the takeover and whether they might be able to get better offers once it's sorted out. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers Football Club 0 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) WILSON and Fleck turn down new deals with Rangers More... RANGERS could lose both Danny Wilson and John Fleck to English football after manager Walter Smith revealed the pair turned down new contracts. The 18-year-olds, who both have 18 months left on their current deals, were offered lucrative new contracts but have been advised by their agents to turn those offers down and look to further their careers down south. Wilson has only just burst into the top team set up making his debut at Dundee two months ago in the Co-operative Insurance Cup and has subsequently played in all competitions for Rangers. He is once more deputising for Madjid Bougherra, who is on duty at the African Cup of Nations. Fleck, who has been in the squad for over two years now, has had a stop-start season and most of his appearances have come from the bench. His last start was at Aberdeen on November 28. Smith had hoped the two players would want to continue to learn their trade with Rangers. He said: "It's disappointing that they've turned down new contracts but that's the world we live in at the moment. "Could things change on that front? It certainly doesn't look like it. The disappointing aspect is that contractual aspects for 18-year-olds have been placed before careers. "I've not had any conversations with the players' agents to find out their reasons for turning down the deals. But it's quite straight forward. They've turned it down so they must see an opportunity elsewhere which would probably need to be down in England, I would imagine." Edited January 16, 2010 by Bluedell 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers4Life 0 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 And attitude problems associated with youth/immaturity. They dont realise what they have do they.... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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