RST blasts Martin Bain over court action

[Zappa 0]

The exact same answer can be used again and again regarding the RST. Pay £10 to join, and influence it from the inside if you feel they are going down the wrong road. The AGM is on 2 October, so no better time to get involved. They are also always looking for new board members, and for Bears to offer their expertise in any area to assist their forward progress.

 

I want to try to be constructive here TB (especially since I know what excellent work you've been doing and involved in) so don't take this as just another snipe at the trust.

 

Why should I or anyone else pay £10 for a one year RST membership and a 'free' Rangers share worth £0.20p to try to 'influence the RST from the inside'?

 

This fundamentally flawed model is one of the reasons that the RST doesn't have tens of thousands of members like it should do after all these years. The trust is asking fans to PAY to be able to offer their time, opinions, ideas and expertise. It's asking them to PAY to volunteer these things and help take the trust forwards, to essentially improve the RST as the heart and soul of moving towards a fan ownership model. There's a distinct lack of soul though and it's all because of the RST's own model.

 

Why not try to get 20,000 (or more) Bears to sign up as lifetime RST members for FREE? That's what you CALL 'free'. You could even give them a free share worth twenty pence as an incentive to join for life. Now that's a model that's got some soul...

[rbr 1,247]

I want to try to be constructive here TB (especially since I know what excellent work you've been doing and involved in) so don't take this as just another snipe at the trust.

 

Why should I or anyone else pay £10 for a one year RST membership and a 'free' Rangers share worth £0.20p to try to 'influence the RST from the inside'?

 

This fundamentally flawed model is one of the reasons that the RST doesn't have tens of thousands of members like it should do after all these years. The trust is asking fans to PAY to be able to offer their time, opinions, ideas and expertise. It's asking them to PAY to volunteer these things and help take the trust forwards, to essentially improve the RST as the heart and soul of moving towards a fan ownership model. There's a distinct lack of soul though and it's all because of the RST's own model.

 

Why not try to get 20,000 (or more) Bears to sign up as lifetime RST members for FREE? That's what you CALL 'free'. You could even give them a free share worth twenty pence as an incentive to join for life. Now that's a model that's got some soul...

 

 

Zappa the only problem with your idea regarding the shares is that it was costing them an admin fee from the broker to buy the shares , and now direct sharedeal is gone , its around £12.50 per transaction ( approx), thats another reason they have trouble getting out the shares to new members they cant find a broker that will give them a discounted rate .

[der Berliner 3,240]

As opposed to your beloved RST whose 'campaigning' strategy amounts to poorly written threads posted on FF and RM?

 

Ahem ... lay off the medicine. I do not love the RST. I just point out that ranting people on boards change nothing and hardly ever speak to anyone of the club or the media. The RST usually does not "post" threads on FF or RM or here, they have their own website and their representatives like Edgar or Dingwall speak with the club and/or the media. All this is not much, but more than nothing and needs no ridicule on your behalf.

 

Then again, you as one of our prime rant... nay, lets say "sceptics on all things Rangers" on here - no insult intended, btw - were bound to lay into the replies above.

Edited September 16, 2011 by der Berliner

[Danny 0]

Ahem ... lay off the medicine. I do not love the RST. I just point out that ranting people on boards change nothing and hardly ever speak to anyone of the club or the media.

 

Can you kindly quote examples of the influence the RST has had directly over Rangers?

 

The RST usually does not "post" threads on FF or RM or here, they have their own website and their representatives like Edgar or Dingwall speak with the club and/or the media. All this is not much, but more than nothing and needs no ridicule on your behalf.

 

I'll ridicule a joke organisation if I see fit.

 

Then again, you as one of our prime rant... nay, lets say "sceptics on all things Rangers" on here - no insult intended, btw - were bound to lay into the replies above.

 

No insult taken, even if it was intended. I am no sceptic, I am a critic of things which I deem to not be in the club's best interests. I praise where it is due and criticise where it is likewise.

 

There are plenty on this forum and others a lot more 'negative' than I. And I would never deny or criticise their right to be so. Ditto those who are positive.

[craig 5,195]

Sory, but to ask anyone to lay off the medicine just because they dont fall into the RST party line, oor your line, is naive and, quite frankly, arrogant.

 

The RST does not, nor has it EVER, been the voice of the mass of Rangers supporters.

 

I have supported it to the hilt, to the extent of having a lifetime membership and sponsoring 10 annual memberships personally.

 

However, in all good conscience, there are individuals on the RST that, in my opinion, should not be there - they are simply devisive and until the RST realise this and remove them then it will never move forward.

 

The question of "changing within" is moot when you have individuals who hjave so much deemed power. Someone tell me who would vote MD off the board..... And if you would, good for you, but the multitude of FF votes would ensure your vote is like a vote for the Greem Party.

 

That is where the RST problem lies. In the fact that it seems to now be buried in FF politics.

[Danny 0]

I'm not sure what I make of the RSA - anyone know what their membership is and can tell me a bit more about them?

 

They don't seem to be ingulfed in internal politics and ego - and seem to be a genuinely altruistic organisation with the club and its supporters' best interests at heart.

 

But I might be completely wrong. Do they have any kind of 'influence' anywhere?

[GovanAllan 0]

Admin had a sense of humour bypass obviously because last post got chopped.

[GovanAllan 0]

Was just on the bluenose website Danny looks to be a whole host of Rangers clubs under one roof. Interesting anyone a member.

[Danny 0]

Was just on the bluenose website Danny looks to be a whole host of Rangers clubs under one roof. Interesting anyone a member.

 

This the Assembly you're talking about? Not sure what you mean by the Bluenose website?

[Tannochsidebear 2,306]

What are/were the Team 2 meetings?

 

The current Trust board only has 16 people (with at least one on a sabbatical) so it's a shame they can't get it filled. Given the current situation with the club, the fans really need a strong Trust/Assembly but I guess the Working Group is the current driving force for the support.

 

It was a sub-committee of the RST set up and some members outwith the board were invited to attend with various remits. The idea behind team 2 was to look specifically at membership recruitment, but apart from 1 meeting and a sub-forum that quickly went very quiet nothing was progressed.

 

I dont think it is accurate to compare the Working Group with the RST or the Assembly or any other group as it is a collective of all groups working on a very defined set of issues. There are a number of very important issues outwith the self-imposed remit of the Working Group that these much bigger organisations should be working on/looking at. I wasnt aware there were only 16 on the RST board at the moment, and agree that is a shame. The apathy amongst our support is quite disheartening.