Daniel Amokachi 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The ******s are a retched bunch that should not be tolerated. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owain 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The ******s are a retched bunch that should not be tolerated. I agree; nonces should not be tolerated. No matter their religion or ethnic background. Hang 'em high. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Amokachi 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 We live in such a convoluted society where we are the bad guys surrounded by a religion and football club enshrined in bigotry and paedophilia 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 any team that covers up child abuse so they can continue to attract young players should be stripped of any succes during the relevant period. otherwise others may do the same. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,348 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I've worked in child protection for some time. The idea that it is restricted to Catholics or Protestants or any other religion for that matter is just abhorant. Get real. Most of the kids I've worked with are from a "church of England" background. To try to ethnitise the problem is just going to allow more of it to happen. Nonces are nonces. God doesn't choose, it's the perpertrators that decide. Scraping the bottom of the barrel with this. Lets have some dignity here. Genuine question here, and it's nothing to do with the Celtic situation. Child abuse is obviously nothing to do with religion, but is the cover up of it on its discovery? Would the CofE try and hide the perpetrators from the law or would they be immediately reported? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy dewhurst 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 by Bill McMurdo I donâ??t know if Big Jock knew. But I knew Big Jock. I was just a young boy working in my fatherâ??s office on Union Street in Glasgow. We ran lotteries for the SFA and Hampden Park Fund. Big Jock was pally with my dad and would sometimes pop in for a cuppa and a blether. He was an absolute gentleman. Even though I was a Rangers fanatic I had the utmost respect for Mr Stein. He had no airs or graces and was polite to the point of being deferential. If he had a big ego he hid it very well. I often used to bristle at the â??Big Jock knewâ? jibes because I knew him as a thoroughly decent man. Of course, these jibes are not really a slight on Jock Steinâ??s character, more of a commentary on the cover-up at Celtic Park in reference to the notorious child abuse controversy that engulfed Celtic Football Club. The infamy surrounding Jim Torbett and his involvement with Celtic Football Club is quite far back in time now; however, it is a convenient rod for Rangers fans to beat their Celtic counterparts with. It has been brought sharply back into focus, though, with the massive media coverage of the Jerry Sandusky affair in America. Sandusky was the assistant coach of the Penn State American Football team, and he has been found guilty of tampering with young boys whilst as their coach. The head coach of the team knew about it, as did other officials in the team. Because of this, Penn State have been banned from competition for 4 years, been fined $60 million & stripped of 11 titles between 1998 & 2011. With all the talk of stripping titles away from Rangers because of alleged book-keeping indiscretions, this story brings a fresh perspective. One could argue that if the football authorities in Scotland were as rigorous at applying punishments to teams where child abuse took place under their auspices as they were at seeking to punish teams who paid players off-book, we might not be speaking of Celticâ??s nine-in-a-row years. That might be ridiculous in Scottish football. Thankfully, it isnâ??t so in America Football. For the record, I might incur the wrath of some fellow bluenoses by saying this but I do not think Celtic should have been shorn of titles because of Jim Torbett. Nor do I think IF Big Jock knew then that is a slur on the man. I donâ??t know if he knew. But I am sure if he did, he would have tried to deal with it quietly. Sadly, child abuse is a massive problem in society. Even more sadly, certain institutions where it has been practised have compounded the horror of it by seeking to cover it up and hide its perpetrators from public exposure and criminal prosecution. The suspicion that this is what happened in the Jim Torbett situation is why Rangers fans sing â??Big Jock knew.â? It is a dig at this institutional cover-up rather than a personal attack on a man most Rangers fans greatly respect. Because of Jim Torbett, Celtic are an easy target. The Jerry Sandusky story just brings this out all the more. We Rangers fans have had to endure the merciless ribbing of Celtic supporters over the ongoing Rangers crisis. And talk of stripping titles is the ultimate hurt to bluenoses. Which is why the Jerry Sandusky story may just cause all who have picked up stones to hurl at Rangers to pause before throwing, particularly those of a Celtic persuasion. People in glass houses should not throw stones. Celtic fans may claim that Celtic FC should not be punished for the actions of Jim Torbett. This is exactly what Rangers fans are saying about David Murray and Craig Whyte. In a nutshell, fans of every team need to ask themselves a simple question: Which is the worst crime? Fiddling with kids or fiddling the books? http://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/ well we will never know the man is no longer living let it go fans who insist in ugly chants only make our own club look bad . 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,263 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 While it shouldn't be, it is indeed a "tough" decision in this day and age. IMHO, the "BJK" chant is more that sort of "cynical banter" we "enjoy" having with the Hooped Horros' support than actually any wish of us to have it investigated. That said though, in recent months so much bile has been thrown our way, while we essentially were defenceless, that people will say that the "gloves are off". It has long since moved passed any tit-for-tat. They wanted us dead and buried and forgotten, not least over at Shame FC who spun and spin lie after lie, while claiming morale high-ground for themselves. So while I for one will not support any calls for the Scum having any titles stripped because of what happened there (which would be unfounded a call anyway, IMHO), I am of the opinion that we should not let them (and the world, for that matter) forget about their shame as well. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy steel 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Cheers for bringing this up on the day we get back to football, Bill McMurdo. Nice one. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Are we really still talking about this stuff? I despair at Scotland at times. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aweebluesoandso 290 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Fight fire with fire imo, if BJK then he's was guilty of a cover up. Should there be any doubt, i would rather be a tax dodger than a Kiddy fiddler. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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