The Seppuku of an internet blogger

[chilledbear 16]

And that CB is it in a nutshell. Would you like a coconut or a goldfish ?

 

As he is about the same age as myself, a spring chicken might be appropriate.

[forlanssister 3,050]

Rather bizarrely he barely rates a mention in all of the stuff revealed by Charlotte Fakes.

[chilledbear 16]

Rather bizarrely he barely rates a mention in all of the stuff revealed by Charlotte Fakes.

 

Do you have an explanation/guess?

 

You must be fed-up, no travelling today

[andy steel 0]

At some point morality does come into it - I suspect even for you, Andy - the only question is at which point do we, as a support, draw the moral line.

 

No, I don't think it will. The only thing which gets respect, power and your hands on the levers of control in this country (the UK) is money. How you got it may raise the hackles of the few remaining socialists left rumbling around the margins of the body politic, or garner a few headlines when it suits newspapers to pretend they are not capitalist enterprises themselves, but it won't stop you being powerful and it won't stop you being in charge.

 

There never has been any morality in football that I can remember and I see no point in marching into the future with an ethical manifesto when all around you are operating in extremely shady fashion. I agree completely with Bossy's utterly ruthless Rangers man as being what we need - it's what every club needs at its head and has done since the days of the comittie were ended during the awful 1980-2007 period. That's how the world operates now and the football world is no exception.

 

Many may disapprove of Man City's new wealth but none will be able to stop them; some may look askance at Man Utd's debt levels but no-one is mad enough to take them on; others may consider Barca or Real Madrid models of financial insanity which make our recent past look quite prudent but again, these are the players before whom all bow down.

 

Bluntly, what matters is having money, not where it comes from. Ideally it would be clean but if it has to be dirty, so be it. It's a dirty war.

[forlanssister 3,050]

Do you have an explanation/guess?

 

Nothing sinister (I hope!) just find it puzzling why he barely rates a mention at all when he was so prominent and just the other week or so was commenting on the mountain of email correspondence between himself and Craig Whyte, plenty way out on the extreme periphery get a mention but virtually nil on King.

 

You must be fed-up, no travelling today

 

As nice as a break is I'd certainly have preferred to be playing today as opposed to having another midweek trip.

 

Anyway the petrol station at Perth has started selling the steak bridies you get at Dunfermline just as I start yet another diet so on the plus side temptation has spared!

[amms 0]

No, I don't think it will. The only thing which gets respect, power and your hands on the levers of control in this country (the UK) is money. How you got it may raise the hackles of the few remaining socialists left rumbling around the margins of the body politic, or garner a few headlines when it suits newspapers to pretend they are not capitalist enterprises themselves, but it won't stop you being powerful and it won't stop you being in charge.

 

There never has been any morality in football that I can remember and I see no point in marching into the future with an ethical manifesto when all around you are operating in extremely shady fashion. I agree completely with Bossy's utterly ruthless Rangers man as being what we need - it's what every club needs at its head and has done since the days of the comittie were ended during the awful 1980-2007 period. That's how the world operates now and the football world is no exception.

 

Many may disapprove of Man City's new wealth but none will be able to stop them; some may look askance at Man Utd's debt levels but no-one is mad enough to take them on; others may consider Barca or Real Madrid models of financial insanity which make our recent past look quite prudent but again, these are the players before whom all bow down.

 

Bluntly, what matters is having money, not where it comes from. Ideally it would be clean but if it has to be dirty, so be it. It's a dirty war.

 

Interesting. I agree morality has been absent since the days of the Corinthians however I'd maybe question some of your views. The best club side in Europe and arguably the world currently are Bayern Munich, wealthy certainly, but not bankrolled or debt laden, indeed run by the archetypal 'committee' in many ways. The runners up were Dortmund, a club with a genuine connection with their support and again no debt or sugar daddy.

Quite possibly Germany is the exception that makes the rule, however it does still offer hope to us who remain stuck-in-the-past when it comes to how we (well, me basically) view football and its clubs.

 

It's not all that long ago when RBS were being lionised by all the business press and Fred Goodwin was thought of as some sort of genius. Circumstances change, sometimes quickly and totally out with your control. Football is no different, it comes in cycles and always has done. We should develop certain fiscal, sporting and indeed moral principals and we should stick to them, I firmly believe they will serve us well in the future.

[D'Artagnan 173]

No, I don't think it will. The only thing which gets respect, power and your hands on the levers of control in this country (the UK) is money. How you got it may raise the hackles of the few remaining socialists left rumbling around the margins of the body politic, or garner a few headlines when it suits newspapers to pretend they are not capitalist enterprises themselves, but it won't stop you being powerful and it won't stop you being in charge.

 

There never has been any morality in football that I can remember and I see no point in marching into the future with an ethical manifesto when all around you are operating in extremely shady fashion. I agree completely with Bossy's utterly ruthless Rangers man as being what we need - it's what every club needs at its head and has done since the days of the comittie were ended during the awful 1980-2007 period. That's how the world operates now and the football world is no exception.

 

Many may disapprove of Man City's new wealth but none will be able to stop them; some may look askance at Man Utd's debt levels but no-one is mad enough to take them on; others may consider Barca or Real Madrid models of financial insanity which make our recent past look quite prudent but again, these are the players before whom all bow down.

 

Bluntly, what matters is having money, not where it comes from. Ideally it would be clean but if it has to be dirty, so be it. It's a dirty war.

 

Im tempted to post that the closet capitalist has been "outed".....but I'll defer and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are merely acknowledging the rising power of Mammon. ;-)

[aweebluesoandso 290]

If it means he will be tough as nails and utterly ruthless towards the opposition then I hope so. And his attitude to SARS was 100% right. If he had not done that then they would have rolled him for a lot more money.

 

What we need is 1) someone with a genuine passion for Rangers, 2) someone who is a highly talented businessman and 3) someone who is utterly ruthless and street smart.

 

I have my own reservations with regard to King. But they are nothing to do with the morality of his tax affairs. My concern is that he is another David Murray.

 

Dave King is a quiet one, but you know what they say about the quiet ones and still waters. Add in the ingredients of a Glaswegian Scotsman who went to the far side of the world and made a huge success of it. If Mr King gets control of our club i would expect a few upper-cuts, left and right hooks, maybe even a head butt and toe in the knackers in retaliation.It's in the DNA.

[andy steel 0]

Interesting. I agree morality has been absent since the days of the Corinthians however I'd maybe question some of your views. The best club side in Europe and arguably the world currently are Bayern Munich, wealthy certainly, but not bankrolled or debt laden, indeed run by the archetypal 'committee' in many ways. The runners up were Dortmund, a club with a genuine connection with their support and again no debt or sugar daddy.

Quite possibly Germany is the exception that makes the rule, however it does still offer hope to us who remain stuck-in-the-past when it comes to how we (well, me basically) view football and its clubs.

 

It's not all that long ago when RBS were being lionised by all the business press and Fred Goodwin was thought of as some sort of genius. Circumstances change, sometimes quickly and totally out with your control. Football is no different, it comes in cycles and always has done. We should develop certain fiscal, sporting and indeed moral principals and we should stick to them, I firmly believe they will serve us well in the future.

 

All fair points but even in Germany, the tripartite business model involving management, government and workers is breaking down even as we write; Fr.Merkel's desire to impose Thatcherism on her country will see it, too, move toward the model where the gaining of capital rather than the means of gaining it is all that matters. I can see no reason why the German municipalities will be able to resist when the full power of the federal govt. is turned on them: assuming the CDU follow through on their market led reforms, when the central funding is cut things like community partnerships in sport will be amongst the first to go, directly affecting football clubs.

 

Maybe the Lander will be able to mobilise regional feeling to the extent that they can fight off such things, but a glance across Europe in the last two decades does not fill the left-inclined onlooker with much cause for hope. Maybe some civic minded German citizen can even take it to the BVfG and get a ruling...I'm not optimistic.

 

Give it five years and I think we'll see Arab and Russian money in the Bundesliga as well. dB will know more about the nuts and bolts of this than I, mind you.

 

I don't disagree with your views, but I don't think we can operate as the sole 'Islamic Bank', so to speak, in British football.

[andy steel 0]

Im tempted to post that the closet capitalist has been "outed".....but I'll defer and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are merely acknowledging the rising power of Mammon. ;-)

 

You can't eat principle, unfortunately. Nor will you attract many players to your club side on the grounds that you are morally superior to the team offering £1m a year more.

 

It's all relative anyway. There's someone at the Tim agm fantasising about how they bring a smile wherever they go...perhaps the speaker doesn't actually go to many games, or lives in Scotland. Or Holland.

 

You'll never convince me that capitalism holds any solutions to the world's problems. Alas, as I was aware when we debated the point on RM a decade ago, I can't convince anyone that socialism or anything of that ilk is the answer either. So, like Rangers, I shall try to get myself as far up that ladder as I can, drawing it up behind me.

 

I suppose I would admit that events of the last few years have made me completely intolerant of anything other than Rangers getting back on top, coupled with a visceral desire to see certain clubs suffer, for decades, in revenge. I won't see that on the back of good intentions.