match thread (image) [FT] St Johnstone 1 - 4 Rangers (Tavernier 12 pen; Windass 25; Goss 41; Morelos 56)

[craig 5,199]

12 minutes ago, Tannochsidebear said:

Very interesting stats there from DMAA, thanks for that.

 

I did get the impression that Dolly are very consistent against the other sides, especially the lower sides in the league, and this backs that up, but I perhaps didnt realise just how consistent and impressive they have been. Obviously much has been made of their constant capitulations against us/them, but it shows you they have got the job done against the "diddies" which we have really struggled to do over the last 2 years.

Agreed.  However, other teams approach Aberdeen in a different way they do Rangers.  We are far superior to them in every facet, taking the playing pitch aside.  Playing Rangers is a Cup Final for all these teams, playing to full houses either at home or at Ibrox.  The same can't be said when they play Aberdeen.  The effort levels against us are higher than effort levels against any other team in the league.

 

We DO need to alter our form against the lower teams though.

[DMAA 3,603]

39 minutes ago, craig said:

Agreed.  However, other teams approach Aberdeen in a different way they do Rangers.  We are far superior to them in every facet, taking the playing pitch aside.  Playing Rangers is a Cup Final for all these teams, playing to full houses either at home or at Ibrox.  The same can't be said when they play Aberdeen.  The effort levels against us are higher than effort levels against any other team in the league.

 

We DO need to alter our form against the lower teams though.

I think there's truth in that Craig but I'm not sure it has quite as much to do with it as you suggest. I think Aberdeen have a winning formula that we hadn't found. They play basic yet effective football that scores goals. I would be especially interested to see how many headed goals they have scored this season and last compared to us.

 

As for the disparity between their results against 4th-12th and 1st-2nd, there must be a lot of reasons. One simple one to partially account for the Celtic losses is that they can't play their best player against them, Christie. Their attacking play revolves around him in the rest of their games, it's a huge change to adjust to when they play Celtic. It didn't help that Shinnie was suspended either for that last one having been an ever present.

 

Personally I think Murty's very good big game record plays a part in their poor results against us. We don't know how he does it but he does. After all Aberdeen had a 50-50 record vs Warburton and Caixinha. It's only fallen apart for them since Murty's been in charge. They would claim the double header in November was due to the McInnes saga of course, and that probably did play a part though it obviously wasn't the sole reason as they claim.

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[der Berliner 3,255]

Snippet from FF ...

 

Very heavy snow in Perth now and starting to lie.

[buster. 4,808]

6 minutes ago, DMAA said:

I think there's truth in that Craig but I'm not sure it has quite as much to do with it as you suggest. I think Aberdeen have a winning formula that we hadn't found. They play basic yet effective football but that scores goals. I would be especially interested to see how many headed goals they have scored this season and last compared to us.

 

As for the disparity between their results against 4th-12th and 1st-2nd, there must be a lot of reasons. One simple one to partially account for the Celtic losses is that they can't play their best player against them, Christie. Their attacking play revolves around him in the rest of their games, it's a huge change to adjust to when they play Celtic. It didn't help that Shinnie was suspended either for that last one having been an ever present.

 

Personally I think Murty's very good big game record plays a part in their poor results against us. We don't know how he does it but he does. After all Aberdeen had a 50-50 record vs Warburton and Caixinha. It's only fallen apart for them since Murty's been in charge. They would claim the double header in November was due to the McInnes saga of course, and that probably did play a part though it wasn't obviously wasn't the sole reason.

I'd agree with much of that.

 

We have to take responsibility for our results against other teams and not point towards things that comes down to making excuses. 

 

The way celtic loan players to other various top tier sides is something that strikes me as something that amounts to an 'unfair advantage'.

 

Whether it be Ajer/Kilmarnock, Allen/Dundee/Hibs, Christie/Aberdeen or whoever.......it means those teams are stronger when they play all other teams except Celtic and it also means forced changes for that opposition going into the game against Celtic.

 

The same happened with O'Hallaron at St.Johnstone ealier this season, so it's not just Celtic who have done it, although they are by far the biggest benficiaries.

 

I think the rule should be changed and teams shouldn't be able to loan players to teams in the same division.

 

[pete 2,499]

9 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Snippet from FF ...

 

Very heavy snow in Perth now and starting to lie.

It is only showers it should be okay.

[buster. 4,808]

8 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Snippet from FF ...

 

Very heavy snow in Perth now and starting to lie.

Better now than 8pm

 

 

[Gonzo79 13,679]

Been a couple of severe snow flurries here in Edinbuegh but I doubt enough to put a match off.  Although it might be worse up in Perth.  

 

Milnathort's a nice wee stop on the way - Bill Struth's home town.

[Darthter 542]

8 minutes ago, buster. said:

The way celtic loan players to other various top tier sides is something that strikes me as something that amounts to an 'unfair advantage'.

 

Whether it be Ajer/Kilmarnock, Allen/Dundee/Hibs, Christie/Aberdeen or whoever.......it means those teams are stronger when they play all other teams except Celtic and it also means forced changes for that opposition going into the game against Celtic.

 

The same happened with O'Hallaron at St.Johnstone ealier this season, so it's not just Celtic who have done it, although they are by far the biggest benficiaries.

 

I think the rule should be changed and teams shouldn't be able to loan players to teams in the same division.

 

That had never actually crossed my mind....but completely true.

[buster. 4,808]

4 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Been a couple of severe snow flurries here in Edinbuegh but I doubt enough to put a match off.  Although it might be worse up in Perth.  

 

Milnathort's a nice wee stop on the way - Bill Struth's home town.

Time for the...........

[Darthter 542]

9 minutes ago, buster. said:

Time for the...........

Nah...in this cold weather it should be mandatory to use a Mitre 5.....I'm sure I've still got marks from being skelped by one of them