The Summer 2018 Transfer Window Rumours and Deals

[der Berliner 3,716]

36 minutes ago, DMAA said:

 

RB Leipzig are a great example of this approach. They barely sign a player over the age of 23, and with a transfer deficit of £94m over the past 6 years have assembled a squad with an apparent value of £316m which finished 6th in their first season in the Bundesliga. With their patient approach, Bayern and Dortmund will fear them far more than if they were signing ageing players and loan players scrambling for an instant success.

Actually, they finished 6th in their second season in the BL (and but 2 points below 3rd place), and 2nd in their first season in the BL.

 

They obviously paid quite a bit to get into the BL, but by comparison less than most heavy weights of the BL last season and this.

 

[DMAA 3,658]

30 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Actually, they finished 6th in their second season in the BL (and but 2 points below 3rd place), and 2nd in their first season in the BL.

Oops I was a bit lazy in not looking that up ?

 

31 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

They obviously paid quite a bit to get into the BL, but by comparison less than most heavy weights of the BL last season and this.

Yes but the point is the strategy which is clearly paying off (literally!). On those figures the value of each acquisition has risen by a multiple of 3.5. RB Salzburg have even better figures and Monaco are another good example. 

[TheUKCrazyhorse 96]

1 minute ago, DMAA said:

Oops I was a bit lazy in not looking that up ?

 

Yes but the point is the strategy which is clearly paying off (literally!). On those figures the value of each acquisition has risen by a multiple of 3.5. RB Salzburg have even better figures and Monaco are another good example. 

Surely it helps that Red Bull pumped around 52 million Euros* into the club though? We don't really have the luxury of that kind of investment.

 

(*figure taken from this massive article - about halfway down

https://www.ft.com/content/2567291c-2f89-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a)

[buster. 5,093]

49 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

 

 

Rangers title #54; 2010/11 season:

Sasa Papac (31) *46 appearances*
Lee McCulloch (33) *30 appearances*
David Weir (41) (captain) *53 appearances*
Kenny Miller (31) *25 apperances* - Top Goalscorer that season.
David Healy (31) *10 appearances*
El Hadji Diouf (30) *22 appearances*
James Beattie (33) *10 appreances* (left in Winter window)
Neil Alexander (33) *7 apperances*

Rangers title #53 2009/10 season:

Neil Alexander (32) *9 Appearances*
David Weir (40) *51 Appearances*
Sasa Papac (30) *47 Appearances*
Lee McCulloch (32) *47 Appearances*
Pedro Mendes (31) *8 Appearances* (left in Winter to Sporting)
Jerome Rothen (32) *8 Appearances* (left in Winter to PSG)
Nacho Novo (31) *49 Apperances*
Kenny Miller (30) *45 Appearances* (2nd top scorer, behind Boyd)

Of those listed, the players who were brought in for those seasons didn't have much of an impact.

 

At a push you could say El Hadj Diouf did help a little.

Healy, Beattie and Rothen contributed zip.

 

The others had been at the club for a while (had been bought when younger) and were established.

The exception being Weir, who was a bit of a one-off.

 

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A list of players who were 30 years of age or over at the time of signing for Rangers would be a better comparison.

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by buster.

[DMAA 3,658]

39 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Regarding the age of some people, some FFer compiled the age veterans of our last two title-winning seasons:

My response to this would be that both Rangers and Celtic are in a very different place to back then. The main point being that we have a huge financial gap to close. As long as that gap is gaping (and widening) we can forget about being no 1 any time soon. 

[DMAA 3,658]

1 minute ago, TheUKCrazyhorse said:

Surely it helps that Red Bull pumped around 52 million Euros* into the club though? We don't really have the luxury of that kind of investment.

 

(*figure taken from this massive article - about halfway down

https://www.ft.com/content/2567291c-2f89-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a)

As I said above it’s about the strategy. With less money to spend they wouldn’t be in 6th place but they’d still have had a similar level of appreciation in player values across the squad and in turn strengthened their position as a club considerably. 

[craig 5,199]

5 hours ago, Rousseau said:

Actually Holt's another who's one of the best FB's in the league, stat-wise. I'd take a punt on him too! 

 

I'll take everyone!!

You will have a team full of left backs.  Just as well we already have Shagger locked in, or you would re-instate Lee Wallace.... as our goalie

[buster. 5,093]

1 minute ago, craig said:

You will have a team full of left backs.  Just as well we already have Shagger locked in, or you would re-instate Lee Wallace.... as our goalie

His laptop may have a left leaning virus.

[craig 5,199]

Not to get off topic (and I don't think it is...)

 

A couple of things stick out with all of the news, whether they be rumours or actual interest...

 

1.  Would we really have any chance of players of the standard (regardless of age) of Leiva and Skrtel if we had Warburton/Caixinha/Murty in charge and not Steven Gerrard ?

2.  Would we really be likely to get Liverpool prospects on loan if we had Warburton/Caixinha/Murty in charge and not Steven Gerrard ?

 

One thing with regards to getting Liverpool players is that, having watched some video footage of Klopp's interactions with Gerrard and Klopp genuinely seems to like Gerrard - and has also said he really wish he had been given the opportunity to coach Gerrard.  That suggests a level of respect and trust.... which could very well mean we get some decent prospects from Liverpool and/or some decent deals in terms of loan signings for players that Klopp sees as being surplus to requirements, but ones he doesn't want to sell.

[DMAA 3,658]

13 minutes ago, craig said:

Would we really have any chance of players of the standard (regardless of age) of Leiva and Skrtel if we had Warburton/Caixinha/Murty in charge and not Steven Gerrard

Of course not. Gerrard was always bound to have pals who were willing to sacrifice their wage and come and be part of this. I just don’t want to see us shelling out millions on these guys or to have too much of the wage allowance going out to them. But there’s no question Skrtel and Lucas in particular are way above our standard. 

 

16 minutes ago, craig said:

Would we really be likely to get Liverpool prospects on loan if we had Warburton/Caixinha/Murty in charge and not Steven Gerrard ?

Well it’s too soon to say what he can pull off yet. EPL academy prospects have a poor record up here, and the best ones are sent to the Championship instead. It will be interesting to see if he can pull off one that is unusually good, similar to Roberts at Celtic.