crmpicco 38 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 55 and Seville were great but we are, as yet, still to recover our position from pre-2012. Whilst we are chasing Celtic’s coattails and trying to pick up the odd cup here and there they will continue to win the league and soon enough I predict they will start mouthing off about 10IAR. 2012 has put them in a power of strength and excluding Lennon bottling the big one we have been unable to get back on top for any reasonable amount of time. The loser and second best mentality will not improve until we rid ourself of the old guard of Tavernier, Goldson, Barasic and even Ryan Jack and John Lundstram. I think we can strap ourselves in for a rough few years where they will overtake our trophy haul and league titles. What I’d like to see is the new manager to come in with a medium to long term plan to turn things around. There’s no point going on a run of league wins when we are 10-12 points back and the league is done. We need real change and that starts with the losers that have let us down one too many times. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,489 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 We weren't far(-ish) off with GvB and Beale. Think where we'd be with a competent manager? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 7,886 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 We wasted a great opportunity whilst coming back through the leagues. That's when we should have employed a young up and coming manager and competent youth system. And you are correct, we haven't fully recovered for various reasons - 55 and EL Final have proven to be false dawns and the exceptions to woeful football and terrible miss management both on and off the field. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Ro55 749 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Yes we are still not comparable with top Gers sides, but neither are septic. A proper, experienced manager who is used to winning would have us all over those bams in a season or so. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton_blows_goats 5,199 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 We are a club stuck in the past. 2012. 55. Seville. Forget it all and think about now and how we move forward from here. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 9 hours ago, Rousseau said: We weren't far(-ish) off with GvB and Beale. Think where we'd be with a competent manager? The problem we have now is that Beale not only failed to get the best out of what he inherited but he set us further back by unloading substandard crap into the squad. We have little of no trading value in our first team and I can't see how we rise out of this mire unless and until we improve player quality. I think Beale may have condemned us to at least another two seasons of failure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,489 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bill said: The problem we have now is that Beale not only failed to get the best out of what he inherited but he set us further back by unloading substandard crap into the squad. We have little of no trading value in our first team and I can't see how we rise out of this mire unless and until we improve player quality. I think Beale may have condemned us to at least another two seasons of failure. I still retain the belief - hope - that they're not substandard, but merely under-utilised. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rousseau said: I still retain the belief - hope - that it's not substandard, but merely under-utilised. Dessers, Lammers ...... I'm not even convinced they're football players. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,612 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Poor recruitment has been our biggest problem. We are still well behind Celtic in this department . Edited October 9, 2023 by RANGERRAB 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton_blows_goats 5,199 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, RANGERRAB said: Poor recruitment has been our biggest problem. We are still well behind Celtic this respect. Agree, we have spent plenty of money and spending big on wages. Just not spent it well sadly. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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