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Not a legend in my eyes, but this does elevate him above the crowd a bit: [video=youtube;r-4qpXEou3c] Bodhisattva Miller.

Fair points, but not when it comes to elections for me.

Looking at how much Warburton has spent assembling his side, I was wondering how much we could reasonably value the players at, as we approach the end of this season. These aren't the values I think these players are worth, but what Rangers would hope to sell them for - taking into account the extra clubs add for being in a strong position re.contracts, and the great slicks of cash washing about down south. Random valuations from http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rangers-fc/kader/verein/124/saison_id/2015 Cammy Bell Keeper Sep 18, 1989 (29) Scotland 30.06.2017 £188k I'd have said free. 25 Wes Foderingham Keeper Jan 14, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2018 £188k Wouldn't take less than £1.5m 30 Maciej Gostomski Keeper Sep 27, 1988 (27) Poland 30.06.2016 £188k Errrr... 27 Danny Wilson Danny Wilson Centre Back Dec 27, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2018 £375k About right, probably. 4 Rob Kiernan Centre Back Jan 13, 1991 (25) Ireland 30.06.2017 £338k I'd ask for nearer the £1m mark. 6 Dominic Ball Centre Back Aug 2, 1995 (20) England Northern Ireland 31.05.2016 £38k 5 Lee Wallace Left-Back Aug 21, 1987 (28) Scotland 30.06.2017 £638k Fair enough. 2 James Tavernier Right-Back Jan 27, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2018 £300k Pfft! Try £1.5m - £2m. 16 Andy Halliday Defensive Midfield Oct 11, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2020 £263k Again, get real. Nothing under the mill & probably a lot more. 7 Nicky Law Central Midfield Mar 29, 1988 (27) England 30.06.2016 £263k I'd take that. 8 Gedion Zelalem Central Midfield Jan 26, 1997 (19) United States Germany 31.05.2016 £188k 23 Jason Holt Central Midfield Feb 19, 1993 (22) Scotland 30.06.2020 £188k Nearer £500,000 for me. 11 David Templeton Left Wing Jan 7, 1989 (27) Scotland 30.06.2016 £188k I doubt even England is mad enough to pay that. 17 Billy King Right Wing May 12, 1994 (21) Scotland 01.05.2016 £225k 19 Barrie McKay Left Wing Dec 31, 1994 (21) Scotland 30.06.2017 £131k Nothing under the million. Real talent. 15 Harry Forrester Left Wing Jan 2, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2016 £113k 29 Michael O'Halloran Right Wing Jan 6, 1991 (25) Scotland 31.05.2020 £375k Don't know yet! 22 Dean Shiels Secondary Striker Feb 1, 1985 (31) Northern Ireland 30.06.2016 £188k Bite your hand off. 33 Martyn Waghorn Centre Forward Jan 23, 1990 (26) England 30.06.2018 £563k Easily double and probably four times that. 9 Kenny Miller Centre Forward Dec 23, 1979 (36) Scotland 30.06.2017 £263k Where do they get these values from?! 14 Nicky Clark Centre Forward Jun 3, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2016 £188k Maybe. I think a free is more likely.

It's a reasonable case, well written and presented for grown ups who like football to have a blether about, the essence of Gersnet.

Just about all you can say with any certainty, nearly 20 pages in, is that social media is not the appropriate forum for elections. The lack of censorship allows any and all statements to be made - and once they're made, it's too late to unmake them - the anonymity most of us use allows bolder accusations to be lobbed in; on Twitter, the limited space makes explanations impossible but accusations easy; and on places like this, the strange relationships which build up, where people kind of think they know people but maybe don't really, can lead to suspicion or collusion and all points in between. Old school meetings, chaired and kept in order, may result in a lower participation from members but if the alternative is a head long charge toward a fight in the playground every time a vote comes up, I'd sooner have that.

I resent the suggestion that I'm a normal fan. As prime hand-wringer, long-winded post writer, Spiers apologist and Nationalist flag waver on Rangers boards for over a decade, nothing could be further from the truth. It's this kind of inaccuracy blah blah blah splitter blah blah blah secret meetings in the board room blah blazers etc Please take no notice, sometimes we have to let off a little steam. Hats off to you for stepping forward and best of luck.

I like the headline, though. Quite subtle for a Scottish paper.

Ach man, I don't know anything about it. I just find it all very unpleasant.

This McCarthyism is a disgrace to this forum. I don't know you buster so nothing personal but this is awful.

I couldn't care less. edit: because the threads to do with this issue have been poisonous.

Why? I'm only guessing like us all but it seems like a sop appointment to the 'stop criminalising fans' brigade over the road: more understanding, less punishing, less laws. Given we've had fans who have been affected by these laws, and since most don't care for them (I do, make no bones about it) why are we so opposed?

With the size of our fanbase, even our match day fans, I doubt you could get someone (or even a group) who represented all of us. All you can ask for is people with the best interests of the club at heart, and I don't see how running a company makes you any less of a fan than being a joiner. I don't follow the last point you made, sorry.

That's massively unfair. Any Bear knows that sticking your head above the parapet will bring hundreds if not thousands of keyboard warriors down on your head, no matter what you do - it's a poisoned chalice. Even 'look at me' types would find something more suited to their narcissism than a Rangers fan board. As for the run of the mill Teddy Bear - all that takes is cheering on The Rangers and nothing else.

A quick internet check suggests he's wound up all the right people, at least. Well done, he. Not sure how Rab will deal with a Labour MP who is a fervent Bluenose.

That's a bit optimistic.

If he can be shown to have done anything when the club was being ball-busted by HMRC. MPs, MSPs of all colours fell over themselves to do nothing to help us.

To be fair, he only does it every so often. We're on here every day.

Nice how the report is laid out. Anyone with a chip on their shoulder might think the inference was that any trouble which occurred was as a result of points one and two, the presence of Rangers fans in home areas, 'which resulted in an increase in the risk of Unacceptable Conduct occurring within the ground' (note the redundant capital letters - it's like one of those fan statements which go for a heavy, formal tone but just sound horribly contrived). We have some pretty oddball fans but I doubt many of them raced onto the pitch to goad the actual Rangers end; while if their presence wound up the home fans that much, one imagines any Motherwell fan wanting to lord it at full time would merely have had to turn to their neighbour, rather than sprint up the length of the pitch.

Read that as 'Sports Direct'. Fair choked on my supper.

Actually it seems I only saw Somner at the end of his career (remembering players rarely made it much past 30 in those days) and that he was pretty handy right enough: from wiki games (goals) 1971–1974 Falkirk 45 (12) 1974–1975 Ayr United 5 (1) 1974–1979 Partick Thistle 144 (101) 1979–1983 St Mirren 99 (45) 1983–1984 Hamilton Academical 36 (9) 1984–1986 Montrose 66 (15)

I can't remember where I heard it but John Robertson was supposed to be heading Govan-wards either just before or just after Souness took over. Robertson and McCoist would have been worth seeing together. Maurice Malpas was about the best left back I've seen, an elegant player way ahead of his time. We've not had anyone special at left back for years, he would have been excellent. Going back to the dimmest memories I have of football, St MIrren in the late 70's had a tall, slim striker called Doug Somner, I thought he was the bees-knees. But I was about 7, and if he'd been as good as I thought he'd have done more in his career I suppose.

Breaking: Rangers oldco administrators have five charges dropped in fraud case.

Hmmm. Maybe it would be nearer the mark to say Warburton's plan takes us back to a time before I was going to the football, and when an injured first team player would be replaced by a hungry talented youth. My experience, from the early 80's on, has been for injuries or suspensions to be covered almost always by experienced, more or less first team standard players - I remember Smith dabbled a bit with the likes of John Morrow or, err...David Hagen, and...too early...was there a Lee someone? Robinson? Anyway that stopped pretty sharpish and he built big squads of experience to cover all eventualities, and that kept on through to the McCoist tenure. Now it looks like injury/suspension will be covered by under-21 promotion. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned. So while it might not be so different for the club historically, it's certainly different for me.

Top quality stuff. Many thanks for taking the time to put that together, I learned a lot from that. Do you do coaching? You should!

In an ideal world, maybe. But we're rebuilding from a standing start, have several legal battles which affect cash flow/ability to plan financially, have to divert monies to infrastructure issues, and must balance achieving promotion with not over spending. Even all that said, one of the reasons Rangers has been successful down the years is that when injury or suspension strikes, the player out can be replaced with another of similar ability. Warburton's plan changes this, and it'll be interesting to see whether the club, or the manager, changes over time.