CammyF

Here is a video of Celtc fans singing a song by The Wolftones called Oh Ah Up The 'Ra from Tynecastle on Saturday : http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=6wpdump&s=1 oops, that link might not work as Timmy are trying to cover all the evidence of their shame as Bears have been bombarding the SPL - if that link doesn't work, try this one : http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...5C8D5769A83C89 Here is the 'official' Wolftones video of said song which Parkhead was used as a backdrop and The Wolftones were allowed access to parkhead to film this video : Yet, the SPL, SFA, NBM, SOS, etc do NOTHING to highlight these songs now sung on a weekly basis. Once again, the RST putting the club to shame in its defence of us, the fans Cammy F

The Grenta game is to be rescheduled and like Lyon, we will have a free weekend this weekend. Cammy F

Todays News Of The World carries a story regarding Joke McConnells brother-in-law who attened a very high profile (and televised) awarf ceremony last week. At said event, Mr Robert McLuckie shouted sectarian abuse at two girls who performed Into The Valley as the names of Scottish soldiers killed in Iraq were shown. As the girls left the stage, Mr McLuckie intercepted them and shouted 'Proddy Bastards' at them. Then irony, both girls in question were Catholic. Your right Mr McConnell, this is Scotlands Secret Shame right enough and its alive and kicking in you own family. Cammy F

Rumours heard at Ibrox yesterday : Boyd out in January as he has apparently been a naughty boy and 'could' end up in court sooner rather than later. Could be AM's first signing for Birmingham. The rumours that Kenny Misser is set for a return to Ibrox are unrelenting with me hearing this every where I go. Got told this again at a function last night from someone very close to Hibs players. The same guy told me that Michael Stewart was sold from Hibs for fighting with John Collins. Former Rangers hero or villian depending on your opinion, Peter Lovenkrands is building a �£2M pound house in Glasgow fuelling rumours of a return to Rangers. WS has had him watched recently and PL is very keen on a return to Rangers. Cousin is likely to leave in January but the main priority is a left back and left midfield player. Possible target could be Birminghams Garry McSheffry. Cammy F - Don't Shoot The Messinger Loyal RSC

But Rangers fans aren't singing about child abuse, they aren't condoning child abuse, they aren't even mentioning child abuse. Those who chose to sing it, are simply singing 'Big Jock Knew'. As far as I am aware, Jock Stein has never abused a kid.... 'Who shagged all the boys on the other hand'..... Cammy F

on the other hand, I am sure they are offended by the fact that Celtc failed them in their hour of need and certain Celtc employess lied (on TV) when interviewed about Torbett and his actions. In fact, one went as far as to say that a 'make believe' Boys Club tourny was in fact, fact - when in reality, it was a rouse by Torbett to gain access and time alone with those he abused. Maybe they people who were abused, let down, potrayed as the enemy and the wrong-doers would be offended by the fact that Celtc continued to give Torbett's business financail backing when he was in jail for abusing kids (by renewing contracts with The Trophy Centre). Maybe they find it offensive that this whole sordid affair has been swepted under the carpet when in fact, it is possibly Scotlands Real Seceret Shame? Cammy F

It already happens in some parts of Europe where games will be moved to midweek to give teams a full week to prepare for an upcoming important European game. In fact, I am sure Lyon have a free weekend next weekend. I also think (rightly or wrongly) that Club football is now far more important (in terms of money, tv deals etc) than international games and in 10 years time it may not be uncommon for Internationals to be rearranged to suit domestic games (just look at the luke-warm reception the 'Celtc Cup' got from managers). Cammy F

Well, whats the problem with my views? I believe that this is the biggests scandel to hit Scottish football and SHOULD be up for debate. We shouldn't have journos telling us it is bordering on sectarianism. As for singing Big Jock Knew - its a personal choice - it isn't sectarian, it isn't offensive, it isn't racist - before anyone says it isn't football related, I know it isn't but come on, there are plenty of songs sung around football that aren't football related. I personally don't sing it, but wouldn't shout anyone down for singing it. Cammy F

I think the key word in there is SHOULD.... That team has NEVER played together, Faye is injured (or in jail), Gow is so far of the radar that I am more likely to get a game against Gretna, and losing Thomson or Adam (considering the injuries we have) against Gretna would be a blow going inot the Lyon game. We all have our opinions on the merits of cancelling this game, some will agree some will not. No right or wrong, just some people will think it should be rearranged (or at least put back to the Saturday or even the Friday night) some won't. Cammy F

I did'nt think that was the question. Cammy F

Or if we suffer any other injury blows to key players (like Fergie, JCD, LMcC, CC) etc, will be happy with picking up 3 points then going into the Lyon game with an understrenth team? We should have the squad to deal with Gretna, but do we have the strength in depth to deal with Lyon? Scotland asked for the OF games to be rearranged due to fear of injuries, Rangers are simply doing the same. In fact, Celtc, in hindsight, are wishing that they had asked for their game v Hearts to have been rearranged. Cammy F

Ask the kids who were abused if Jock Stein's knowing of the abuse (and doing very little) isn't worthy of highlighting. Jock Stein (to his credit) sacked Torbett but he said NOTHING to the authorities and Torbett was then reinstated in the Boys Club. I think a few fair-minded journalists have said that there does need to be a debate on this subject where others tell lies to claim that we are the bad guys in this situation. It has been proven in court that Jock Stein knew about the abuse - in fact Billy McNeil said that this was 'an open secret' - indicating that most people employed at Parkhead knew about systamtic child abuse and to their eternal shame, lied, covered this up and didn't inform the authorities. BTW, as far as I am aware, Celtc have NEVER apologised to the children (now adults) who suffered abuse whilst in their care. Cammy F Cammy F

It didn't help Scotland, but the offer was there and we did everything in our power to help Scotland - surely all we can ask is the same to be respricated? Cammy F

Honestly folks, this thread on FF is a MUST READ - if this doesn't set off alarm bells about the one-sided sectarian offensive in this country nothing will. Log on to FF, read and digest this and support this Bear and his family http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=337616&page=1 Cammy F

Aye his next line was 'one minute they are never walking alone and the next they are so lonely round the fields of arthurs thighs....' Cammy F

Looks like Jim 'Masonic Orange Order' White and Charlie 'Dirty Turncoat Barsteward' Knickerless have gone and upset the MOPES Cammy F

..... great words from the great Denis Law Cammy F

A brilliant idea and one that surely cannot be denied given how we readily cancelled our game prior to the Scotland v Italy international. Cammy F

I realise and understand that we were drawn in the group of death, but even given that, surely a club of the stature of Rangers FC SHOULD be aiming for the last 16 of the CL EVERY season no matter who were are drawn against? Is settling for anything less than the last 16 of the CL a systematic of the thinking / downsizing of ambition instilled by David Murray? Cammy F

As long as QOTS win - Feckin Lithgi Feckin Rose..... Wait to the BU's get them in the Junior Cup :uzi: Cammy F

With injuries to McCulloch and Beasley it looks like there will be a few changes to the staring 11 on Saturday - here is my team to face Killie; McGregor Hutton Weir CC Papac Naismith Fergie Handami Adam JCB Buffel Cammy F

Along with Willie Mc Lies Cammy F

Do I Expect Too Much? Sitting here reflecting on another glorious failure in Stuttgart, I have asked myself, do I expect too much from our football club? Stuttgart are the reigning German champions who whilst not having the best of starts to the season, have finally found some form and are a genuine force to be reckoned with. However, watching the game last night, I got the distinct impression that they were beatable, even in their own back yard. In fact, we were controlling the game, got a very good opening goal and sustained some exerted pressure (which you would expect) and were coasting as half-time approach. Then, like so many other times in Europe, we fell asleep and made an amateurish mistake. Their first goal changed the entire course of the game and established their tempo for the 2nd half. We all witnessed the flair, skill, passing, movement of Stuttgart at the beginning of the 2nd half, but weââ?¬â?¢ll never know if they would have exhibited this if they hadnââ?¬â?¢t been allowed back into the game with the last kick of the 1st half. We then managed to pull ourselves back into the game when we were gifted an equaliser but (and maybe it was just cynical old me who was expecting this) then we went and shot ourselves in the foot and conceded a late goal. In retrospect, the difference between a draw and a defeat in the grand scheme of the group, is nothing really. We still have our own fate in our own hands and if we avoid defeat against Lyon, we will qualify. Like Scotland, this is a scenario that would have taken at the start of the group. However (here is the old pessimist coming out), like Scotland, I can see this ending in tears (I sincerely hope not). Over the course of the group we have taken points from all other teams in the group, that in itself is no mean feat, but I feel that we are 2 or 3 points worse off than we should and could have been and staring the last 16 in the straight in the eyes with one qualification game to go. Instead, we look forward (with some trepidation I have to admit) to a very nervous 90 minutes against Lyon. Gaining the point we need is far from insurmountable, but come on Bears, weââ?¬â?¢ve all been here before. Finger nails will be bitten, sphincters will be twitching, underwear will be soiled ââ?¬â?? its going to be one of those nights! Looking back over this CL campaign, you can not have failed to notice that some of our (youthful and inexperienced in CL terms) looking like they are struggling at times. If you watch a player like Hendami, he makes football look so simple ââ?¬â?? he does this against any opposition be it Gretna or Barcelona, where as, players like Adam, Thompson, Boyd, and others (and this isnââ?¬â?¢t a personal attack on anyone) look like rabbits staring into headlights. Hopefully they will learn and use these lessons to improve themselves and our team. Also, it is evident that teams at the highest level spot weaknesses and try to exploit them to their advantage. Teams have identified that our left back area is very weak and have tried to expose this ââ?¬â?? as Stuttgart did on numerous occasions last night. Again, this is not a slight on Sasha Papac who has filled in there admirably this season. This cannot take away from the fact that he is not a left back and against better teams he is left exposed. I also have concerns over Alan McGregor ââ?¬â?? I know that sounds strange as he has developed into a very decent keeper. But, that is the rub of the green, given that most of his predecessors were ââ?¬Ë?world classââ?¬â?¢, a very decent keeper is a step down for what we are used to. Rangers FC should be in the later stages of the CL every season ââ?¬â?? that is what we must be aiming for ââ?¬â?? that is where not only the money is, it is where the prestige is. I know and understand that Walter Smithââ?¬â?¢s side / squad is still in its embryonic stage, but for me, qualification for the last 16 is so close, so tangible, that falling at the last hurdle will seem like failure (UEFA Cup parachute or not). So the question is, am I expect too much of my team to qualify for the last 16 of the Champions League from a group that contains Lyon, Barca and Stuttgart (considering we were 4th seeds)? A Case Of Two Findlayââ?¬â?¢s We are all aware of what happened to Donald Findlay when he was hung out to dry by those he thought were his friends, and we will all remember the press assassination of Donald Findlay that followed and that is still going on to this day. It is interesting to note that Dr Jeanette Findlay has had a comparatively easy ride from those who chose to ââ?¬Ë?assassinateââ?¬â?¢ Donald Findlay. It was also interesting to note that Dr Jeanetteââ?¬â?¢s outburst came whilst trying to vindicate the stance of Celtic fans regarding the election of John Reid to the Celtc Board (funny how Mr Reid claimed that Celtc was an ââ?¬Ë?all encompassingââ?¬â?¢ club where ââ?¬Ë?politics were left at the doorââ?¬â?¢. Funny that, his predecessor spent years telling the gullible media and anyone else who was stupid enough to believe him, that they songs of bigotry and hate were merely political. Anyway, I digress. Back to Jeanette and her repugnant views on the murdering scum that are the IRA. Apparently, according to Dr Findlay, it is OK, right on, morally correct to sing the praises of these murderers at Celtc Park ââ?¬â?? I am tempted to say, itââ?¬â?¢s the Celtc way, but the irony would be lost on any Celtc fan reading this. I wonder if Jeanette will face committees to see if she still has a job, face constant press harassment forcing her to the brink of suicide ââ?¬â?? or is this just another case of one rule for one, one rule for another. And to think, she is tasked with the education of Scottish students. Cammy F

I think Hrealy struggles at club level as he has never really been given an extended run - Leeds played him out wide or put him on the bench. LS bought him then proceeded to put him on the bench. Cammy F

At last, one Scottish Journo who doesn't kiss Britneys ring : ----------------------- In Jackson's column today he writes "word reaches me that one of the most pompous and least respected operators in this business had a pop at this column for daring to criticise the wretched Dr Jeanette Findlay. Nice try Corduroy boy, just a shame no one reads your stuff! You and the good doctor make a good match - hopelessly out of touch and irrelevant to the decent majority. Jog on Britney - your in danger of making a fool of yourself. Oops, too late!" ------------------------ Cammy F