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They are doing poorly in the league but did they not start with a lot of minus points? What would their real position be without the penalty points?

If he took the first shot with his left peg he would have burst the net. Or maybe have hit the corner flag in his case.

All dutch woman are like that.

You see what meeting you once does to a person it is like the curse of tutankhamun. After meeting you all my jokes die.

He scored twice tonight to make them groups winner. Eck had him on the left wing!!????????

Feyenoord have hit a bit of form after being shite at the start of the season and do not have the friendliest supporters in the world so in one way i would like to miss them. On the other hand it would be great banter for me

He did tonight. He overtook Gorden in my eyes. Every ball held in atrocious conditions. A brilliant save at the end. The only smudge for me was the ball he punched i thought he could have held that, and it was a pretty poor punch. On the other hand he would have gotten some verbal if he tried to hold it and fumbled. A keeper is not our main issue at the moment.

I thought i read he was the only Rangers supporter on the programme. That is probably why they got rid of him. I may be wrong though.

Highly probable that he will go to Arsenal Gav, i don't know about the finished deal bit but they certainly showed an interest last season.

PUNISH EVERY FAN NOT JUST THE OLD FIRM Bain demands ASBOS for all By Anthony Haggerty RANGERS chief executive Martin Bain last night leapt to the defence of the Old Firm as he welcomed new SFA plans to combat sectarianism. And he believes a new offence of unacceptable behaviour could see more clubs out with Rangers and Celtic land in the dock. Bain admitted there is a sectarian problem that is being addressed. But he insisted Rangers and Celtic cannot be blamed for all the ills in Scottish football and should not bear the brunt of all punishments. In a thinly-veiled swipe at Aberdeen in particular the Ibrox supremo maintained other clubs should be targeted for sanctions. Bain said: "It is not appropriate for people and their families to go to grounds, or have fans come to Ibrox, and listen to chants about the death of former players or disasters that may have happened at stadiums. "These are totally repugnant to all people with any moral responsibilty. "I thought everyone round the table had one common goal, basically to eradicate sectarianism from Scotland. "We believe Rangers have an important role to play in that but it's been recognised today that it is not just in isolation to Rangers. Many clubs across Scotland are involved with anti-social behaviour. "Their fans have a responsibility to their club so the benchmark that has been introduced is something we have been promoting for some time. "The detail will be important but in terms of the assesment for all clubs with respect to anti-social behaviour, it is something we will welcome. "There is no doubt the situation we had with Villarreal, the stick UEFA yielded, was one that made people sit up and think it could bring serious consequences for their team. "Yes, there always needs to be a big stick. "I hope those who implement the scheme recognise it is across all clubs, is basically about anti-social behaviour and there is a general assessment - not just Rangers and Celtic in the spotlight. "In the seminar it was clear this isn't just an issue for the Old Firm, it's other clubs and other parts of social responsibilty in Scotland. "If it just turns into Rangers and Celtic in the spotlight and points deductions just for the Old Firm on purely sectarian issues I would take umbrage. "But I have every faith it is about all football in Scotland." Bain was speaking after SFA chief executive David Taylor gave a presentation in Glasgow City Halls yesterday. It was part of the Scottish Executive's second Summit on Sectarianism, outlining proposals to be put in place for the start of next season. They will have to be ratified by the SFA and SPL before getting the go-ahead Included in the eight-point action plan is the ability to impose statutory fines for sectarian offences inside football grounds, deduction of points and even evictions from cup competitions, Taylor insisted football's governing body UEFA had not pressured the SFA into taking a tough stance, But he hopes it will not be too difficult to impose such sanctions in the Scottish game and make it fall in line with European club football and international footballing laws. Taylor said: "Sectarianism is a serious problem in society and Scottish football is caught up in that. "We have to be clear we need to do something about this and perhaps more than we have done in the past. "This has been done because we want to do it and our major clubs want to do it and there is a real willingness within Scottish football to get rid of sectarianism. "I am hoping never to have to impose these punishments but what we need to do as a last resort is to have some sort of sanctions if incidents happen that otherwise could have been prevented. "The SFA and SPL intend to introduce a new disciplinary offence of unacceptable behaviour within football grounds in Scotland. "It will be related to disorderly conduct and be wider than sectarianism which will fall into that remit. "We are in discussion with our colleagues at the SPL and the starting point would be the beginning of next season. "It requires changes to the constitutions of the SFA and SPL to bring is into line with our UEFA and FIFA counterparts and that would be before the start of the 2007/08 season. "Fines, deduction of points and banning from cup competitions are certainly within the UEFA and FIFA statutes and regulations and throughout world football. "We are being encouraged by both these regulatory bodies to do the same. "I myself sit on the UEFA disciplinary committee. "We stopped short last week of deducting points from a team in the UEFA Cup because of the misconduct of their supporters. We decided against it at the 11th hour. "However, we seriously considered it and that just goes to show what those bodies are prepared to do and we have to be ready to do likewise. "The SFA would still have gone ahead with these measures regardless if Rangers had not been fined by UEFA after the Villarreal match incidents. "I wholeheartedly agree with Martin Bain that this is not specifically aimed at punishing just the Old Firm. "This is aimed at behaviour in football grounds in Scotland and broader than sectarianism. "I am not saying the Old Firm will be deducted points for sectarian offences. "I am saying the SFA have to implement and put effective disciplinary sanctions in place as a back-up for any offences that may occur. ""I think the Old Firm fans will get the message." At last a response from Rangers defending our supporters although i get the feeling that Rangers will be the first and probably the only club to be given these tough penalties. It would seem to me when these things are implemented the judges only see the colour blue. We do have a sectarian problem and we must admit that but having different rules for other clubs for anti-social behaviour is also a form of sectarianism. I think Tailors last remark says it all really: ""I think the Old Firm fans will get the message." He only see's fit to mention the old firm surley football fans would have been more appropriate.

I doubt if we will go for Gordon at this time. he will cost too much as he has just signed a new contract and McGregor is also showing signs of being a good keeper. I think Gordon will go to the premiership eventually.

These are the definate thirds from the games on wednesday. Tonight(thursday) the rest will be known.

It will be interesting to see what he does with another team. He will probably have more money to spend at WH.

Their keeper was lucky he never got injured and gave him his chance.

I admit it, it was shocking. I never took my medication.

I am going to jump the gun here and say we will get the one point needed to be group winner. In that case the 3rd placed teams who have finished in the pool are: Feynoord (NL) Zulte Waregem (Belg) Hapoel tel Aviv (Isr) Fenerbahce (turk) I will go for Waregem.

I think the wind just took his legs away. It can happen if the wind just hits the the bottom of your buttocks. I think they call it a windass.

Le Guen has targeted two young centre-halves from Europe - one of which is believed to be Young Boys of Berne's 6ft 2in Ivory Cost stopper Steve Gohouri

RANGERS chairman David Murray has ruled out a January transfer window swoop for Wigan defender Andy Webster. The former Hearts stopper has again been mentioned as a possible solution to the centre-back problems at Ibrox. He was the target of a �£1m bid by Alex McLeish 18 months ago, but Murray says he is not on Paul Le Guen's target list - for the moment. It is also believed Fifa red tape would prevent Webster moving back to Scotland just months after he became the first player to invoke their new employment rule. Webster served notice on Hearts he would be leaving after completing three years on a four-year contract. That allowed him to move for a nominal fee, set by a Fifa tribunal, to new employers outwith Scotland. The 24-year-old was snapped up by Wigan and, after a long process with Fifa because this was a ground-breaking case, he finally made his debut in October. But the Scotland star has played just three games and is said to be unsettled, sparking speculation Rangers were ready to move. "I know we were interested in him in the past, but not at the moment," Murray said. "How could we when we have no idea what the fee would be?" Murray also refused to comment on whether Rangers were interested in former Hearts captain Steven Pressley, who is also being tracked by Celtic, Newcastle, Southampton and Derby. It is believed Elvis is on Le Guen's list of possible January targets, and an interest has been posted with his agent Blair Morgan, but he is not the first choice. Le Guen has targeted two young centre-halves from Europe - one of which is believed to be Young Boys of Berne's 6ft 2in Ivory Cost stopper Steve Gohouri - a player the Gers boss has now watched twice recently. He could be available for around �£1m, but is also being monitored by a host of mid-table Premiership sides. Le Guen's funds for a centre-half are likely to be boosted by the departure of Julien Rodriguez. The former Monaco man knows he is no longer first choice and could be shipped back to France with Rennes, Nantes and Nice all interested. The likes of Lionel Letizi, Gavin Rae, Phil Bardsley and Lee Martin are all likely to leave in January as Le Guen frees up money for three quality signings. Meantime, young Romanian sensation Marius Alexi could be on his way to Ibrox in a �£250,000 deal. The 16-year-old plays with Dinamo Bucharest and is already a first- team player. Chelsea, Man United and Liverpool are all said to be looking at the midfielder, who will arrive in Glasgow shortly for a week's trial at Murray Park. A Dinamo spokesam said: "He is an exceptional player Rangers are very keen to sign." Bad news for us i think. Le Guen being interested in young Boys. I hope he now knows the type of CH you need to play in Scotland.

I guess you can link this with the Scotsport thread. Seems the tims have swarmed all over the media. And they used to talk about the masons passing on jobs.

Was that not said before the Falkirk game after the young guy, is it Stokes, was suspended.

I must admit i watch it every week as it is my biggest link to Scottish football(exept all you great guys'n'gals on the Gersnet). I call it timsport though as it is all tims talking about tims and gloating on Rangers demise. The only one i think talks any sense is as is said above John Colqhoun. He tries to be a little bit unbiased but the rest are well, yeh just gloating tims looking to ridicule us at every step. As the old saying goes: better an enemy you know as an enemy you don't know.

Going to take over at Galatasaray.(for sure) Teaming up with Dean Saunders again seemingly. Another boost to his pension fund i would think.

I like the guy and if you look at his career then he is the keeper everyone wanted to replace but couldn't. PSV tried it often but he kept fighting off all his opposition. He came short term to Rangers and fought off even our legend Klos so he must have something. PSV have now replaced him with imo the best keeper in the world at the moment Heurelho da Silva Gomes the Brazilian keeper is really exellent and is worth many points to PSV. Who said a Brazilian can't be a good keeper-Eat your words.

I only turned MOTD 2 on for a few minutes as i watched the Chelsea game live but i caught the Laurel and Hardy bit with Lehman and Drogba. Said it all really. Slapstick comedy.