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  1. Sorry, I thought it was you, I got mixed up with a different post. Fair enough I was arguing a different point. I think you've done me a disservice there. I don't deliberately misquote anyone. I don't cheat, I don't see what that gains. I do, however, make mistakes and I'm happy to admit it and apologise when that happens.
  2. The is is that while people like yourselves have a basic understanding of the concept of debate eg "change minds and convert", you seem to see it as something incredibly repulsive. The concept of perhaps being wrong or even mistaken and god forbid having someone change your mind to something different seems totally abhorrent to you.
  3. Funny, I was thinking the same thing...
  4. I'm sure I lost your interest just by not agreeing with you... hence the "excuse" dig - makes it easy to not have to actually debate the point. But it's very funny how you're working in a wee team these days.
  5. But you used Sir Alex as an example... I get that but surely you'd feel more guilty of letting Ally down than Fergie? I think it's a complex subject and that old school hair-drying won't work well in the modern day. Surely even letting down the fans and yourselves should be something too, as well as wanting to avoid the embarrassment of ridicule in the press - and the rest of Scottish football. This argument is treating the players like children or a herd with no ego or self motivation. I think the best players, like the best solo sportsmen, have most of the motivation somewhere within themselves. They do need coaching and encouragement and other nurturing and maybe the odd wake up call bollocking, but constant barracking like Full Metal Jacket is for breaking people down to be an obedient grunt, not to nurture a creative sportsman. Maybe it does work, but I'm yet to be convinced and deep down, hope not - and I have no idea how the Rangers team talks go.
  6. I get the impression you don't really understand what you said, otherwise you'd have at least explained it. Your brick wall metaphor is pretty appropriate to describe your responses. I can see why you recommended it...
  7. Not many workplaces would allow Fergie's practices and not many people would work better if exposed to them. If you read or hear about the kind of stuff he got up to you'd probably think he was a complete nutter when put in context of most of our working lives. I doubt that many top players would put up with what he did in the early days but the guy semes to have had a knack of adapting and evolving. I'm not sure stalking people and threatening violence or screaming in their faces is something that we should be looking at as best practice. I disagree that people improve their long term productivity when constantly intimidated, in fear of wrath and shitting themselves when they go to work. There is usually a different face for public and private, so I'm not sure what we can read into his demeanour. Hopefully, he has some way of communicating the expected standards to the players. But really, this kind of argument implies the players have no pride or ego at all, and that they are fine with being booed by thousands of people and slated in the media and on fan forums. I know I've had plenty of games where myself and the team couldn't play anywhere near as well as we'd like, but I do know that giving me a good bollocking at half time would not have made me play better. Probably the opposite due to being angry and constantly thinking about it. I don't think this actually works for your ordinary Joe, do you honestly think this would help against grown men who think they are the dogs bollocks? That I don't disagree with. This I do disagree with as it's a distortion of the truth. We're averaging about 3 goals a game and have had three draws and a loss all season. We are in a far better position than QotS were in points, goal difference and goals score, and so they are a completely erroneous example that ignores the basic facts. It's think it's now obvious that QotS mainly just had a great run of form last season, maybe it was the manager or something else, but there is no way of really knowing that. As said before, it's easy to use them on hindsight but it all looks stupid this year as they are NOT challenging for the league above. I also asked for people to use their swaggering knowledge for this season's leagues to say who would be running away with them. Obviously they couldn't say Rangers as they think Rangers are shite and so it would be against their own argument, but no-one had the balls to put their head above the parapet for another club when having to use foresight. Just because you throw a double six once does not mean you are a demon with the dice. The difference is that many not only predicted Rangers would roll the dice well, it was demanded, and it happened. You might want us to be of a QotS level but I certainly don't. There are many questions that have to be asked and debated but we should keep it grounded in reality and relevance.
  8. So you don't even remember the context or understand your implications? I believe you are asserting that you can't blame the players as it's the manager who nurtures them so he is 100% to blame. Your analogy is that you can never blame children as it's their parents who nurture them and so they are 100% to blame. However, common sense suggest your parent analogy doesn't fully work as it's a lot more complicated than that, and therefore you first point is not sustained. I do get that you see everything in either black or white, and it's how you feel when people disagree with your extreme views. However, if you actually open your eyes and take time to look, compare and take a bit more in, you might find that what you think is the blackest black, is in reality, more like middling grey.
  9. So you're saying you personally only work well when you fear your manager? You want and need a manager that rants and raves at you? You think bullying is the best way to improve performance at work? I agree that you can't be like a friend all the time or too nicey, nicey, but I think you're being presumptuous about what happens in the changing room, and being a bit sweeping to what motivates people.
  10. That's an unbelievably strange statement. We are all just a product of how our parents brought us up? Maybe you just haven't left home yet.
  11. So we need a new manager to achieve what? A higher position in the league? A Ramsden final? A Scottish Cup quarter-final? Eh, no. Maybe a League Cup final but do we really know if someone could do that all with a weird transfer ban? I don't think we'll ever know. At best you could assert that McInnes would be as good as McCoist and even then it would be a guess and a gamble.
  12. Don't know why the thread has digressed so much but to get back to the banner I would say the Sack one looks more realistic than the Back one. The latter has the B rotated but not tilted back like the rest of the letters whereas the S looks like it's on the right plane. Even the rotation of the B is not quite parallel whereas the S is as well as looking like it has an appropriate but subtle ripple. The S one looks far more realistic and the B one looks fake.
  13. The content is reasonably accurate in a way but the tone is just snidy and contemptuous - as per usual.
  14. You're not buoyed up by the massive size and strength of our "bloated" and "unnecessary" squad then?
  15. People really are getting bigger. When I was young I was quite slim but a bit muscular and used to need a large, later in life despite filling out a bit, I became mostly a medium. Recently I bought some medium jerseys and they drowned me. I had to go back and buy smalls instead which fit perfectly. So I'm now a small despite being 20% heavier than when I was a large...
  16. What's wrong with owning shares and giving a proxy to a fan group? Owning shares is about having a say in perpetuity while you own them, you don't have to pay a penny again. You can pass them onto your family and you can sell them (probably for a lot less than you paid) if you are in a tight financial situation. Wanting some ownership for your money seems pretty normal, but then we ALL have egos. No-one is asking Dave King to donate £20m to RF for a life membership, it's not expected, but the rest of us must be the lower, unworthy classes who don't deserve to have shares for our money. I definitely have enough of an ego to be insulted by that assertion.
  17. We only signed Mohsni last year so I very much doubt it was a one year contract. Little was in the press about his contract.
  18. i think one of the problems is that people are talking about investments and shares etc, when really I gatther it's just a donation and you will never see a penny of your money again. If you stop paying after putting thousands in, you won't even have a vote any more. In any sell, you have to answer the main question of the buyer, "What's in it for me?" The answer here is a more altruistic, the good of Rangers. But there are other ways of helping the club without just giving your money away.
  19. You'll reach a different group of fans with mediums [sic]
  20. It has been reported that with the end of his tax case, King's shares went up by more value than the fine... So if nothing else he should be worth about 50m just from that.
  21. I'm not convinced the board are stupid, it's just that they look that way when put in the context of running Rangers for the good of the club. They seem to have a completely different paradigm. The real stupidity seems to be that they actually think we will fall for all their patter.
  22. That came across as a quality piece with no internal agenda, and instead trying to present the situation faithfully. Can you imagine the BBC rising to that kind of journalism? It really highlights why we need our licence money back.
  23. When questioning King's motivation, you'd have to ask yourself why he'd want to recoup his £20m by playing a charade with the Rangers family? What exactly would he do with the money? If he's as fabulously rich as we are led to believe then what would he do with another £20m and is it worth the infamy? King is getting on a bit in life, made his money and fought his greatest fight - what is it do you think he wants to achieve before he retires? Even Bill Gates turned to philanthropy in an attempt to exorcise his incredibly negative image and leave a more positive memory of him in the world. King is supposed to be a fan of Rangers like us so what would most of us do if we won £160m on the Euromillions? Would we try to make more money by grifting it out of the club we love, or while incredibly comfortably off with millions to spare, would we prefer to help the club back to the top of Scottish football and at the same time be remembered for it? Just what is a suitable project for a 59 year old who is reputedly worth hundreds of millions of pounds? Chairman or some other leading figure for the football club you claim to love, does seem pretty popular with many others. Like anyone, that doesn't mean that he is prepared to have the piss taken out of him by a bunch of spivs. It's his own game he is playing and he's a ruthless businessman after all. What would you rather do with some of your hard earned money, give it to a charity that claims to buy a starving village some food but instead the money is pocketed by spivs in control, or to help the same village overcome a corrupt leadership while re-establishing their own economy and be in charge of their own destiny? Maybe that sounds a bit grandiose, but McMurdo's scenario makes a hell of a lot less sense.
  24. It's looking more and more likely that many players out of contract will be let go. I don't think the decisions on that will be made till the last minute, leaving the likes of Little in frustrated suspense.
  25. This is the level of debate we've come to expect from a section of the Ally bashing crowd. His contemporary came up with the amazing fact that if you're blind enough back Ally at 24 pts ahead at the top, you must be blind enough to back him if we were at the bottom of the table. Classic. Many times I've tried to engage with these kind and explain that I'm here for intelligent debate, and the reply has often been, quote: "I'm not here for that". That's one place that I can totally agree with them.
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