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He picked up a wee injury,I think he is fit and available now though??

HA!HA!,here we go again with your childish,petty rants.That's me cringeworthy and paranoid now,according to you.You do make me laugh,grow up and don't reply to my posts please.

It wasn't bad mate,I thought we played well in the first half but the killer touch was missing,easy enough win and a good performance

Aye,obviously I still visit thier web sites!!,otherwise you wouldn't be on this thread asking the question.Also you yourself has posted wrag articles have you not?.Where else will we get the gossip?.

There clearly needs to be more dialogue between the police,stewards,Rangers FC & TBO/UB section. That section is always jumping,singing,displaying banners and must be very difficult for a steward or the police to get in and speak to someone if they feel the need to do so,to try and barge your way in to get someone is only creating an hostel atmosphere and will of course get a reaction from the other fans in that section as they have no idea why this is happening.

It's funny how they can spot a water bottle but can't spot the BHEASTS breaking seats!!!!

Up now http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/15099729.stm

Good statement. Well done TBO/UB,keep up the good work. Now hopefuly we will get a statement from Rangers FC.

The speed at which our team can break makes it sense,but still a bit risky

RANGERS fans protested against the Scottish Government's proposed anti-sectarian legislation last night, when they raised banners and sang songs attacking the SNP administration at Ibrox. During a league match against Kilmarnock, members of the Blue Order unfurled three large banners that read "SNP Weak On Criminals, Tough On Fans", "Undefinable (sic] Law Against Supporters" and "Football Fans Not Criminals", while chanting abusive songs about the party and First Minister Alex Salmond. The order, set up in 2002, specialises in leading the singing of Rangers songs "to help make Ibrox more intimidating for away teams". Though apparently attacking the administration's plans to clamp down on sectarian singing during matches, the protest is understood to have been prompted by the arrest of three men during a match in Dunfermline on Saturday. Spectators at last night's match said that the protest lasted for two-thirds of the game, then police acted to end the protest. One observer said: "About 15 minutes into the second half, the police moved in, just as Rangers scored their first goal. I don't know if they kicked them out or moved them to another part of the stadium. Quite a few were taken out. There were about three rows of empty seats left." Strathclyde Police could not confirm whether or not there had been any arrests. The protest comes at a time of tension between Old Firm fans and the Scottish Government over its plans to tackle sectarian behaviour at football matches. The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill has been criticised for being too "vague" and ill-defined over what constitutes sectarian behaviour. A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "Law-abiding football fans - who are the overwhelming majority - have absolutely nothing to worry about from the proposed legislation, but sectarianism and other offensive behaviour will not be tolerated in modern Scotland." http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/Rangers-fans-in-antiSNP-protest.6843912.jp The only song being sung was '' fuck the SNP '',not fuck the fat slug:)

Another good win for the champions,move 7 points clear in the league = negative story in media

Rangers fans in protest at SNP’s law blitz FURIOUS Rangers fans last night staged a protest against First Minister Alex Salmond over the SNP government's crackdown on football-related crime. A string of banners attacking the SNP were unfurled at Ibrox ahead of the SPL tie against Kilmarnock. The largest read: "SNP — Weak On Criminals Tough On Fans." Another read: "Football Fans – Not Criminals", while a third attacked "Undefinable Laws". The demo came after a similar stunt by Celtic fans on Saturday. The Green Brigade supporters stayed silent during the first 50 minutes of the game against Inverness, before noisily unfurling banners which said: "Our songs are not illegal". Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3840823/Rangers-fans-in-protest-at-SNPs-law-blitz.html#ixzz1ZEVNw23b

Rangers, under threat of administration because of a £50 million claim from the taxman, will renew their ambition to gain entry to the Premier League as well as reconsidering proposals for an â??Atlantic Leagueâ??, according to new owner and chairman Craig Whyte. Her Majestyâ??s Revenue and Customs is seeking £49 million in back-taxes, interest and penalties from Rangers, a claim that could see one of the great institutions of British and European football become the gameâ??s highest profile financial failure. In an exclusive interview with Telegraph Sport, Whyte said he would actively seek to leave the SPL to secure Rangersâ?? financial future, and suggested the club could even consider running two teams, one each side of the border, once the case and its implications have been dealt with. Whyte also confirmed that while he believes Rangers will win the case, administration is the likeliest outcome if the tax tribunal, scheduled for November, goes against them. Asked if administration would follow, Whyte said: â??It is one of the possibilities we have looked at, yes. The choice, in terms of an adverse finding, is pretty obvious really.â? Administration would bring an immediate 10-point penalty and the possibility of more sanctions, depending on the clubâ??s exit strategy. But Whyte is adamant that there is no threat to Rangersâ?? long-term future. â??Whatever happens Rangers will be moving forward. I will not allow the club to go bust. I can control the debt process absolutely, and whatever happens Rangers is going to be there playing in the SPL at Ibrox.â? Whyte would like them to play further south as well, describing Rangers as â??a Premier League club with the revenue of a Scottish clubâ?. He has committed to finding £5 million of working capital and £5 million a season for transfers, and may bring in third-party investment to help him do so. But he sees Rangersâ?? future in a move away from the Scottish game. â??I think I can turn this around and sort out the problem. I have put money in and Iâ??m prepared to put money in but I have said it is not a bottomless pit,â? he said. â??We are in Scottish football so it is not a viable proposition to go put £100 million into the team. If we went forward into another league set-up, say the English Premier League, then it is very viable to put £100 million more in. We are not there at the moment, but we would like to be. â??[Joining the Premier League] is clearly something that we would like to see examined, it is something we are working on behind the scenes. But there are other potential ideas in terms of European leagues, joining some of the Nordic countries, the Netherlands to create a league.â? Whyte bought a controlling stake from former chairman Sir David Murray last May for £1, assuming responsibility for £18 million of bank debt and the tax liabilities in the process. Since then early exits from the Champions League, the Europa League and most recently the League Cup have compounded the financial issues, and questions about Whyteâ??s background have intensified. The first Old Firm game of the season 10 days ago brought welcome relief with a 4-2 win over Celtic, and in the febrile atmosphere of Glasgow football that may be all that really matters to supporters. The financial issues may not be resolved away so easily. The threat to Rangers stems from a claim for £35 million in back-tax and interest and £14 million in fines relating to the Murray regimeâ??s use of a tax-avoidance device called Employee Benefit Trusts. HMRC claims Rangers wrongly used EBTs for a decade, effectively to reclassify regular salaries as loans that avoided income tax and National Insurance. Rangersâ?? own advice when the schemes were established was that they were legal, and HMRC made no complaint until last year, when it changed its guidance on EBTs. It has now targeted Rangers among 5,000 companies it believes misused EBTs. Whyte believes the club have been singled out as a test case and accuses HMRC of leaking information. Interest intensified earlier this month when High Court judge Lord Hodge, hearing former chief executive Martin Bainâ??s claim for wrongful dismissal, ruled that the club faces a â??real and substantial risk of insolvencyâ?. Whyte acknowledges the risk, but insists the clubâ??s long-term future is secure. He has repaid the £18 million to Lloyds, a fact confirmed by the bank, and transferred the debt to Rangersâ?? holding company, which is ultimately owned by his Liberty Capital Limited, a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. Whyte has committed to writing off the debt if the club avoids administration. This structure means Whyte is the largest secured creditor and has control of any administration. â??Nothing is out of my hands because I control the club, I am the only secured creditor, or rather Rangers FC Group is. So on any decision, while HMRC might push, the group company controls the debt.â? This may be tested in administration. SPL rules require clubs to exit administration with the agreement of all creditors â?? a Creditors Voluntary Agreement â?? but HMRC is unlikely to agree. The SPL has complete discretion over what penalties to apply if a CVA is not agreed, but Whyte is certain they will not face penalties that could end in relegation. â??You might say that is a theoretical possibility but that is not going to happen.â? Whyte defends his business record which, by his own admission, is mixed. He says he specialises in turning round companies in trouble, and as such Rangers was a marriage of personal and professional interest. He is listed as a current or former director of 11 UK-based companies, some of which have failed. â??I get involved in businesses that are struggling and that means you sometimes get involved in the messy side of things. But overall I have had more successes than failures,â? he said. Whyte, who has homes in the Scottish Highlands, Londonâ??s Belgravia and Monaco, will not be drawn on his personal wealth â?? â??It would make my life a lot easier if I did but, frankly, Iâ??m not going to have journalists going into every aspect of my private lifeâ? â?? but says he has genuine business credentials. â??I have got four offices in the City, I have venture capital funds, I have asset management companies, I have stock-broking businesses, I have businesses in France, in Holland, I have got thousands of employees, but I donâ??t see why I should make every aspect of that public. â??Iâ??ve got everything from financial services to ticketing to cinema services, asset management, construction, I have got investments in all these sectors. I operate like a venture capital partnership so at any one time thereâ??s 20-25 companies in the portfolio. "I operate a family company in the city too that manages the family investments. We do all sorts of deals, public to private, commodity trading, Forex, a wide variety, but we try and keep it low key. â??Sometimes we might own them for two years, sometimes for five. But with Rangers we want to create a long-term sustainable business, which we will. But it's going to be a rocky road.â? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/8792112/Craig-Whyte-actively-seeking-to-leave-the-SPL-to-secure-Rangers-financial-future.html

I believe what I saw,overly agressive stewarding,I was about 6-7 rows back and I saw the fat steward barging in pushing fans out of the way.But I agree I don't know why he was going in.

I heard that interview on the radio coming back in the car,crazy man

Regardless of the reason the stewards and police had for going in,what is undeniable was the heavy handedness of the stewards & police,totally uncalled for,and when you witness 30-40 fans walking out in protest,and the Rangers fans in the other sections joining in with booing then you have to think they did it for a reason?.

ASTON VILLA are preparing a swoop for Rangers ace Stevie Naismith â?? as the champions tighten their title stranglehold. Goals from Nikica Jelavic and Gregg Wylde dumped Kilmarnock last night. The 2-0 win sent Gers seven points clear of rivals Celtic. Naismith sat the game out as he served the first of a two-match ban for elbowing Dunfermline's Austin McCann in Saturday's 4-0 win in Fife. Now SunSport can reveal that ex-Rangers boss Alex McLeish is desperate to wrest Scotland star Naisy away from his old club when the transfer window reopens in January. It is understood that Eck enquired about Naismith just as the last transfer window closed but was given no encouragement by Gers gaffer Ally McCoist. Now he's ready to return in the New Year with a bid to lure Naisy to the Premier League. The Gers and Scotland ace has four years left on his current deal â?? but that won't put Eck off. Naismith has already scored nine goals for club and country this season, notching twice against Pars at the weekend. McCoist, meanwhile, has reiterated his call for fairness from the SFA. He wants transparency from the Hampden hierarcy, with the SFA's new compliance officer Will Cole acted against Naismith on video evidence. McCoist said: "We've won the game. "I'm not going to say we didn't miss him. "I'd far rather he was in the squad, I'm a lot happier when he's in the squad and in the team. "We're still not sure who has banned Steven. "It's not a problem because we've accepted it but it would be nice to know who's behind the decision." Gers are now on course to go ten points clear of Celtic after their eighth straight league win. They will reach that daunting lead if they beat Hibs on Saturday afternoon ahead of Celtic's tough away trip to Hearts on Sunday. Rangers' Kirk Broadfoot and Killie captain Manuel Pascali clashed in the tunnel last night. Both were booked with Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels later referring to Broadfoot as "the ugly boy from Rangers" in a bizarre radio interview. Shiels went on to describe Broadfoot as a male model from Ayrshire whose mascara had run. McCoist played down the incident, saying: "It was handbags. I played here for 15 years and that wouldn't rate in the top 25 tunnel incidents. "I'm not trying to play it down but it was absolutely nothing. I saw the whole thing. It was like two boys in the playground." Shiels also back-tracked later in the evening claiming his comments had been taken out of context. He said: "I was just trying to have a bit of fun in the interview. "There was nothing in the incident but the fourth official saw the incident and they were booked on the say-so of him." Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/3840453/Aston-Villa-want-Steven-Naismith.html#ixzz1ZCM4fi81

Lifted from FF: Gardy Loyal Gardy Loyal is online now Establishment Member Join Date: 11-08-2010 Location: Under a Union Jack Posts: 2,946 Default Re: Police and steward behaviour tonight. Quote: Originally Posted by TN8 View Post Just got home. What the f*ck was that all about?! Any UB/TBO Bears able to tell us what was going on? As in post 460, my mate text me this: Quote: one guy two rows in front of me got attacked by the police, the UB werent having it. We grabbed the guy away from them. We done the bouncy round them. We left in prrotest of the arrest and were chased by horse mounted polis. Ft snp, **** Salmond. See you on Saturday you ****s. Utterly shocking.

There are a few posters on FF claiming the police grabbed a young fan,ended up on the ground,turns out the guy was on crutches!!!!

I have no idea why the stewards and police went in and lifted some of the Rangers fans,no doubt someone will tell us,but there certainly was no '' offensive songs sung tonight '',fucking disgrace and the club should investigate this,the atmosphere was getting a bit hostile when the ploice moved into the crowd.We need to know why fans were being lifted.

EFFORTS by one of Scotlandâ??s most senior police officers to move Old Firm matches to midweek, have brought an angry reaction from Rangers and Celtic football clubs. Strathclyde Chief Constable Stephen House believes the move would reduce football-related violence, particularly domestic abuse. But both the Ibrox and Parkhead clubs say they should not be penalised for â??societyâ??s illsâ?. SEE LATEST SCOTTISH NEWS ON TWITTER HERE Figures show there were 142 incidents of domestic abuse last Sunday when Rangers played Celtic at Ibrox, which is more than double that of a match-free weekend. But sources close to both clubs believe that the figures are being used to push the games to midweek and save the police money. Senior football officials say any moving of games would impact on season ticket sales and cause difficulties for fans in Ireland attending. A spokesman for Rangers said: â??It is wrong that clubs are unduly penalised for matters beyond their control.â? ì Figures show there were 142 incidents of domestic abuse last Sunday when Rangers played Celtic î A Celtic spokesman added: â??Once again, it would seem Celtic and Rangers are carrying the burden of societyâ??s ills.â? But Les Gray, chairman of the Scottish Police Federation, says playing games on weekdays will reduce crime. He said: â??Midweek games attract far less criminality because people donâ??t have the opportunity to drink as much alcohol.â? http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/273771/Old-Firm-rejects-midweek-fixtures-call What a load of shite,the bit in Bold,what planet does this guy live on?

RANGERS will not go to war with the SFA over the two-match ban handed to Stevie Naismith. Gaffer Ally McCoist has accepted the punishment dished out to hitman Naisy for elbowing Austin McCann in the 4-0 win at Dunfermline. But Ibrox chiefs have demanded the SFA apply the new hard-line disciplinary laws to every club. The flashpoint at East End Park was missed by ref Iain Brines, but the SFA's new compliance officer Will Cole acted after studying video footage. Naismith apologised to McCann and last night a Rangers spokesman said: "After reviewing video footage, we have decided to accept the fixed suspension. The player will miss the next two SPL matches against Kilmarnock and Hibs. Steven has had an apology accepted by Austin McCann and admits there was no deliberate intent to make contact with the player. "As manager Ally McCoist has stated, we support the new SFA fast-track process for dealing with disciplinary matters and trust it will be applied fairly across all clubs." It is the first high-profile incident to be handled under the new guidelines by legal eagle Cole, who is acting on a temporary basis until the SFA find a permanent compliance officer. The Hampden beaks have tried to keep Cole as low-profile as possible, but SunSport can reveal he is the man entrusted with the key role. Naismith's ban is the same punishment he would have received had ref Brines sent him off for violent conduct. Speaking before the verdict McCoist said: "It would be a spanner in the works, but not a major problem. I have a full complement of players apart from Kyle Bartley. It's the best position I've been in." Skipper Davie Weir, Lee Wallace, Matt McKay and Jamie Ness are all available for tonight's clash with Kilmarnock at Ibrox. Victory tonight then against Hibs on Saturday would put Rangers TEN points clear of Celtic before the Hoops face Hearts on Sunday. McCoist added: "I can't speak for Celtic, but from our point of view it would be a real boost psychologically." Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/3837898/McCoist-wont-fight-2-game-ban.html#ixzz1Z950u4zX

Is this video evidence only being used to punish players?,serious question. The perfectly good goal that Lafferty scored against the BHEASTS for instance? and the likes of when Jelavic clearly got fouled in the box against the BHEASTS in the cup final yet was booked for diving?. When is it to be used and when is it not to be used?.

Last updated 26 Sep 2011 - 11:50 am Three football fans are due in court over sectarianism Three football fans are due in court in connection with allegations of sectarianism at a match. The men were arrested at Dunfermline's ground, East End Park, as the home team took on Rangers on Saturday. The Glasgow club won 4-0. The men, aged 19, 20 and 31, were arrested as part of an ongoing operation by Fife Constabulary to tackle football-related hate crime. All three men were arrested in the East Stand of the stadium occupied by Rangers supporters. They are expected to appear at Dunfermline Sheriff Court. A spokesman for Dunfermline Athletic said: "If they are convicted, we will name and shame them on our website. We are a family-friendly football club and there is no place for anyone at Dunfermline who breaks the law." The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Bill is currently making its way through Holyrood. The Bill is designed to cover offensive behaviour in and around football stadia, or involving fans travelling to and from the match. It was sparked by several incidents last season, with high profile footballing figures including Celtic boss Neil Lennon and fans threatened with bombs and bullets amid growing tension on and off the pitch. http://breakingnews.heraldscotland.com/breaking-news/?mode=article&site=hs&id=N0585551317003264110A

September 26 2011 12:01AM It was quite an amazing scene at Celtic Park on Saturday. This loud, boisterous, sometimes militant group of the club's support known as the Green Brigade were in full flow. Neil Lennon, the Celtic manager, later referred to this chanting, drum-beating mob as "fantastic" and "brilliant". You almost forgot they were there because, for the opening 45 minutes, hardly a cheep came out of this singing section. Instead, a series of banners were unfurled, in a carefully-planned ploy that could hardly have been executed better. As each protesting banner was made visible the whole of Celtic Park rose and applauded, causing quite a commotion. Suddenly, at the beginning of the second half, their singing started again, and what an atmosphere it created. Great, booming, tribal chants were flung from one end of the stadium to the other, as otherwise dormant supporters were roused by the occasion. It gave the Celtic-Caley Thistle match a theatrical backdrop, prompting Lennon's later comments. The Green Brigade were protesting about the proposed new legislation being created for the Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill. Their perception, in many ways correct, is that it will curb their rightful freedom of speech. This is a complicated area, mired as it has become in a trashy Old Firm game of moral ping-pong, but it is still worth exploring. For instance, it is true that the Green Brigade's songs about Ireland and Irish identity, which are at the core of Celtic's foundation as a football club, are to be outlawed. One of their banners said: "Police State - Don't Criminalise Us". Another said: "Our Songs Are Not Sectarian". Further points were made about a collection of chants that the Green Brigade enjoy - one of them even being Ireland's national anthem - but which the Scottish Parliament might be blundering its way towards outlawing. The most contentious of the chants found among the Celtic support - as well as that of Rangers - is about the IRA. This is where it comes right down to the nub, and where, in truth, a zero tolerance policy probably needs to be deployed. It doesn't sound very convincing these days to argue that, when Celtic fans chant about the IRA, they are in fact referring to an Irish liberation movement of nearly 100 years ago, rather than the terror group of recent times. This is a semantic we can do without. The very same line of argument was tried a few years ago by some Rangers hardliners over their use of the word "Fenian". Anyone steeped in west of Scotland society knows that the word is a pejorative term for a Catholic, but some Rangers fans tried to get round this, saying: "No, no ... in fact we are merely referring to the 19th century political movement in Ireland." That argument disintegrated somewhat when thousands of fans at Ibrox would refer to Martin O'Neill, then the Celtic manager, as a "sad Fenian b*****d", when plainly O'Neill was alive in the here and now, and not in the 19th century. In fact, on Saturday at Celtic Park, there wasn't a single IRA chant to be heard from the Green Brigade, despite some of their critics fervently praying that there would be. It is the one refrain in their repertoire they need to junk, however fleeting it might be at Celtic Park. (Some Celtic fans on the road, just like those of Rangers, are a different breed to sort out.) The Green Brigade, like the Blue Order at Ibrox, is to be encouraged. They are loud and brash and they provide Celtic games with a vivid percussion. There is also an argument that, all across the world, many football clubs' supporters express a cultural or political stance that should not be deemed to be illegal. If these were outlawed then, never mind Celtic, the supporters of Real Madrid and Barcelona would be in deep trouble. Where most decent people want to draw a line, and be less libertarian, is where it comes to outright prejudice, principally involving race or religion. Where a football crowd starts to hurl bile in either of these spheres, I'm all for supporters being carted off and fined. But over a club's cultural roots - which many Celtic fans feel strongly - I don't see how it can be muzzled. The Scottish Government needs to be very careful as it meanders towards drawing up this Bill. The Green Brigade may have a point: Celtic and Rangers fans could face court charges over offences that are laughable. If I were Roseanna Cunningham, the Government's minister for community safety, I would tred very warily indeed.