Frankie

Guy on pitch had a Pope Benedict t-shirt on...

I really like wee Smith. He has his limits in some ways but he's solid and very professional in his attitude. A bit of work on his passing and concentration and he could be a very important player over the coming years.

What goes around, comes around for that dirty barsteward.

You'll have the BBC reporting that Chris...

Well, Klos leaves at the end of the season and so will Ricksen with a bit of luck. That frees up nearly £60K per week in wages right away.

Can't disagree with that mate... PS: Am in process of dealing wth that wee thing we discussed.

Wouldn't surprise me mate. They have been somewhat of a bogey team for us in recent seasons.

Great post for the most part calscot... Think you should be a bit more patient with Sebo but other than that found myself nodding generally. Unfortunately, unless our chairman invests serious money into the team, we just don't have the cash for the major surgery we require.

I think Martin is backing training but Sionko is to be out for another week or so. It could be the other way round but I can't remember exactly.

Too true. Hopefully the posts they read on here and elsewhere will help to that end.

FT: I sympathise with folk like Bobby. If one isn't online or doesn't read the fanzines it's not easy to find out information the rest of us now take for granted. As such, many fans - the vast majority in fact - don't have all the facts to hand before making judgments on Murray or anyone else. Therefore, we need to educate these people - not condemn. As well as finding out a way of how to get the message to the masses, of course. That's the real difficulty here.

The article is a good one and it shows that Darryl King is hurting just like the rest of us. We expect more. And now we should demand it.

http://www.gersnet.info/fmrangers/newmain/301006.html After yet another week of disappointment and underachievement, the debates have been raging once more about whom to blame for said woes. The culpable parties range from Paul Le Guen to Charlie Richmond; from Filip Sebo to the RST. Mainly though, bit by bit, the attention is moving to the invisible man himself ââ?¬â?? David Murray. It is interesting to read and listen to the wide range of opinion regarding this interesting character. Some suggest heââ?¬â?¢s the Messiah, others say heââ?¬â?¢s the anti-Christ. Myself, I prefer the middle-ground, but by the day I can feel the atmosphere getting hotter. Where is our chairman at the moment? Is he basking on the slopes of his south facing French vineyards? Or he is working by candlelight in his Charlotte Square offices while the property market and his ever-increasing portfolio make his Murray International Holdings group even more money? One thing is for sure; he wonââ?¬â?¢t be at Ibrox finding out why our club falls further and further behind in the financial backwaters of the Scottish Premier League. I think it was during the heady days of 9-in-a-row that this particular business magician assured us that while he remained in charge heââ?¬â?¢d spend Ã?£10 for every fiver Celtic spent. Days of yore, indeed. I remember the 1990s well. An incredible run in the inaugural Championsââ?¬â?¢ League. Brian Laudrup, Paul Gascoigne and a record equalling league title run. Millions upon millions spent ââ?¬Ë?chasing the dreamââ?¬â?¢. I loved it ââ?¬â?? we all did. Unfortunately, it couldnââ?¬â?¢t last and it didnââ?¬â?¢t. We took our eye off the ball and Celtic made their comeback. Their stadium was suddenly bigger and over an incredibly short period of time, they were the ones contesting UEFA Cup finals and spending the bigger money. Our success was more sporadic but no less enjoyable in some respects ââ?¬â?? hiding the cracks indeed. Times changed, mistakes were made and things would never been the same again. Suddenly our excellent businessman had our club Ã?£80million in debt. Downsizing was inevitable and necessary but surely ambition and support would remain the same? That doesnââ?¬â?¢t seem to be the case any more and my goodness it hurts. Badly. We are a club in crisis ââ?¬â?? make no mistake. From the top down our club is rotten to the core. Our chairman and his right hand man are AWOL and donââ?¬â?¢t care. Our security chief sanctions arrests against our fans while opposition supporters sing songs about disasters in stadiums built in our absent friendsââ?¬â?¢ memory. Our once proud shops lie empty and vandalised shaming the badge that now hangs sadly above. The ticket office charges us for services that should be free. Our PR team embarrasses us and only exacerbates our worsening and unfair reputation. I could go on all night. There are of course some bright lights. We do have an excellent training facility and our manager, despite obvious problems, is one with the knowledge and expertise to turn our fortunes around. But it seems heââ?¬â?¢ll need to do so without fiscal backing from a man who canââ?¬â?¢t keep his promises. From a man who lies to his own so-called ââ?¬Ë?Rangers familyââ?¬â?¢. No matter how obvious the problems appear to some, others wonââ?¬â?¢t hear a word of criticism. ââ?¬Ë?Not David Murrayââ?¬â?¢, they say, ââ?¬Ë?He bought us the glory days and loves the club the same as usââ?¬â?¢. All half-truths of course, but their hero wonââ?¬â?¢t correct them. He has a business to run and a reputation to protect. What they fail to realise is that David Murray isnââ?¬â?¢t a fan of Rangers like you or I. He isnââ?¬â?¢t in our family. Family members stick by their kin and ensure their development selflessly. Our owner doesnââ?¬â?¢t do that. Maybe he did once ââ?¬â?? the waters are too muddied to be sure. Yes, heââ?¬â?¢s invested money but heââ?¬â?¢s made just as much. He has spent around Ã?£70million including a few share issues and buying the club. If he sells for Ã?£50million he gets most of that back. Add the Club Deck steel money, the RHL call centre money, the Albion car park money, the Azure Catering money and his various companiesââ?¬â?¢ increased profile and prestige from being associated with Rangers, I think one won't be far off matching his overall investment. When one compares that to OUR investment it doesnââ?¬â?¢t come close. We spent around Ã?£25million minimum every season. We donââ?¬â?¢t do that to make money ââ?¬â?? itââ?¬â?¢s an emotional investment ââ?¬â?? one we make in hope and expectation ââ?¬â?? not in cold blood and hard cash. Murray's investment, both from a financial and emotional perspective, doesn't come close. As such, although certain aspects of his tenure deserve credit and should be remembered with fondness other parts remain questionable and the respect afforded to him should be realistic. Not given blindly and cheaply. One thing is for certain ââ?¬â?? David Murray does not want to be here any longer. Ergo, he can leave his legacy in a few positive ways or he can prove the negativity above is fair. Firstly, he can invest Ã?£10million in the club in January. Itââ?¬â?¢s not a great deal of cash to a man worth Ã?£650million. About 1.5% of his total wealth - around the same percentage as you or I may invest each season. Secondly, he can sell the quickly club at a realistic price. Not at the Ã?£80million or more he may think itââ?¬â?¢s worth. Iââ?¬â?¢m thinking more about the Ã?£20-30million mark ââ?¬â?? high enough to make the profit he wants but low enough to attract a buyer whoââ?¬â?¢ll then have money left to make the improvements Murray canââ?¬â?¢t or wonââ?¬â?¢t. Finally, if he really feels part of a family and really cares about the rest of us, he should donate 10% of his holding to the RST ensuring genuine supportersââ?¬â?¢ representation in the future. Representation that is deserving of fans that do give their all for the club and who donââ?¬â?¢t make money back through outsourcing and other backdoor deals. Smoke and mirrors is a description I often hear about David Murray. In many respects itââ?¬â?¢s certainly apt and our very own magician still has some time to pull something out of the hat and ensure the early part of his performance isnââ?¬â?¢t sullied by the actions of what appears to be a tired and uncaring con-man. The lights are dimming on the stage. Has David Murray already left the building? Or does he have one last performance?

That was never a penalty RE: McDonald and in fact he should have been ordered off.

barry Ferguson was excellent in the first half but Motherwell put 2 players on him in the 2nd and he was hardly in the game after that.

Calum Murray was the ref in the St Mirren game - Brines was the ref against Caley IIRC.

I'd take the rumour with a pinch of salt to be honest. Smith got forward more yesterday than in any game I've seen him play so I'm confused as to why Ferguson would be giving him a rollicking. Even if the story is true, I'm sure Stevie Smith is big enough and ugly enough to take it like a man.

It's easy to focus on bad (well not bad - shocking!) decisions to try and make one's self feel better or make excuses. However, I wouldn't say we do that regularly and there's no doubt the officiating in the last few games has been nothing short of disgraceful so I think is has been a crucial contributor to our poor results. At the minute it seems as if we're playing against 12 men at times and although our form isn't good enough and esseentially, we're to blame, I think it's about time we made more of poor refereeing not less.

Yep, 2nd place shouldn't be beyond us but we need to start winning games. Our lack of consistency is worrying.

Yep, it's amazing how easily such decisions are dismissed when we're on the recieving end.

You can change the clock time in your User Cp Options...

Why is the EB? By pm if you like?

It's a monthly amount mate. People can also join and leave the scheme at any time as well as change the amount they'd like to save. IN other words you could save £100 one month then reduce it to £20 per month depending on the individual.

Aye, the quicker McIntyre buggers off the better... Hopefully a new regime will facilitate some early retirement in our security department.

http://www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/news/2006/271006.html Below are a few messages about 'Gersave' from some of Rangersââ?¬â?¢ greatest players of the past. The Trust thanks these legends for their kind support and emphasise that this Share Save Scheme is about bringing the fans together for the benefit of our great club. Tomorrow, will see a 'GerSave' brochure placed on ever seat within Ibrox. This is every Rangers fans' chance to join a scheme that will not only improve supporters' representation but is a wholly positive way of raising new money for the club. You can now download the new GerSave Brochure (PDF Format only - 450Kb) from the ShareSave part of our site. Be part of it! Gordon Smith ââ?¬Å?The RST Share Save Scheme is an exciting initiative that not only involves the fans but raises serious money for the club in a time where finance is ever-more important.ââ?¬Â Ally McCoist "I would urge all Rangers fans to join the Rangers Supporters Trust Share Save scheme. This is a fantastic opportunity for fans to be more involved and at the same time invest money in the club they love." Graham Roberts ââ?¬Å?Good luck to the Rangers Supporters Trust. The Trust is a worthy group of volunteers who once again remind us that the Rangers support is amongst the best in the world.ââ?¬Â Colin Stein ââ?¬Å?The Trust has shown that the fans can work together with the club in many positive ways, and for the benefit of each other. Long may this continue.ââ?¬Â John MacDonald ââ?¬Å?I would urge all fans to get behind this innovative new scheme to ââ?¬Ë?kick offââ?¬â?¢ a new era at Rangers.ââ?¬Â Tom Forsyth ââ?¬Å?The Trust have shown themselves to be innovative, exciting and genuine in their representation of the Rangers support. Together we can make a difference to our future.ââ?¬Â Colin Jackson ââ?¬Å?The Trust provides genuine, democratic representation for all Rangers fans. I urge you to join not only the Trust, but their innovative Share Save Scheme.ââ?¬Â