mcgregor would love a new contract/ SPL Player of the Month

[craig 5,199]

Klos has never been capped for Germany, pedantic I know but sadly true. IMO it makes no difference what the credentials are for any player, no player should be able to be automatically picked on past reputations.

 

Also just to cut McGregor some slack how many of us have been faced by the media, given a question we weren't expecting and then provided the PC answer ?? I would suggest that most of us would be stuck on what to say and it may indeed have been the case with McGregor here.

 

It is all moot anyway as we don't make the decisions. However, he has done enough to ensure Letizi stays out the team until he (McGregor) makes a mistake which he hasn't really done yet.

 

He DOES deserve to be #1 based on the keepers we have at the club (and bearing in mind Klos is still injured), but NO player should be assured of a place in the team...... and I am pretty sure that even McGregor doesn't mean that (what player honestly should expect ASSURANCE to be #1 ?).

 

Calscot, just because Graeme Smith is at Motherwell doesn't mean he couldn't do a job for Rangers. Antti Niemi left for the same reason Smith did (couldn't break into the team), went to a much smaller club in Southampton (albeit in the EPL, but always going to be in a relegation dogfight) - are you saying you wouldn't have taken him back ?

[craig 5,199]

This thread should probably be merged with the other one as the debate/topic, whilst starting out as different, have now become the same debate

[Frankie 8,186]

Letizi did OK yesterday but I'd be very surprised to see McGregor dropped.

 

However, as long as he doesn't commit himself, then he can't complain if he's not seen as first choice ahead of other players who have signed long term deals.

 

No player can demand to be a first pick and although I sympathise with McGregor's past lack of chances, he'd be better continuing to concentrate on his current excellent form instead of rocking the boat.

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Klos has never been capped for Germany, pedantic I know but sadly true. IMO it makes no difference what the credentials are for any player, no player should be able to be automatically picked on past reputations.

 

So minor quibbles aside we basically agree.

 

Also just to cut McGregor some slack how many of us have been faced by the media, given a question we weren't expecting and then provided the PC answer ?? I would suggest that most of us would be stuck on what to say and it may indeed have been the case with McGregor here.

 

I would say it's more to do with having an axe to grind but he should know that the press is not the best place to weild it. He gets a lot of training for that kind of thing and plenty of advice from his agent. However his agent will be wealthier with a move.

 

He DOES deserve to be #1 based on the keepers we have at the club (and bearing in mind Klos is still injured), but NO player should be assured of a place in the team...... and I am pretty sure that even McGregor doesn't mean that (what player honestly should expect ASSURANCE to be #1 ?).

 

I never said he meant it, but I said he was an idiot if he did mean it.

 

Calscot, just because Graeme Smith is at Motherwell doesn't mean he couldn't do a job for Rangers.

 

Never said he couldn't, I was pointing out that if you leave Rangers before really proving yourself and demand to be number 1, the likes of Motherwell or Dunfermline are where you will probably end up. Where you go from there depends on how you establish your reputation in a small team in a lesser league.

 

Antti Niemi left for the same reason Smith did (couldn't break into the team), went to a much smaller club in Southampton (albeit in the EPL, but always going to be in a relegation dogfight) - are you saying you wouldn't have taken him back ?

 

He's a different case to MacGregor as he was a full international who had shown he was a capable keeper for Finland and FC Copenhagen. But despite his reputation he couldn't demand to be number one either.

 

To be pedantic, Southampton are now in the Championship but Niemi is now with Fulham. Not exactly a big team but bigger than Motherwell.

 

He's also 34 now while MacGregor I think is 24. Not many big clubs have young keepers.

 

I think you're helping me make my point here.

 

Which is, you can't be a young keeper who's come through the ranks at a club the size of Rangers and demand to be number one when players of more repute can't either.

 

If you think you've had a raw deal then train well, play well, keep your head down and discuss it privately just before the transfer window and leave if you have to. But you are in absolutely no position to blackmail the manager and you are just damaging your cause by doing so.

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I don't think McGregor is demanding he's automatically number 1 though, I think he just wants a fair crack of the whip, which patently hasn't happened to him or the other young keepers at Ibrox. I think he's handled it better than Smith did, but at the same time, I think Smith was at the end of his tether with how things had gone.

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I'm sure Smith wrote his own P45 by slagging off his boss. When he moves to a big side or gets a regular game for Scotland he can start to say "I told you so" but not before. Bigger and better players than him have been kicked out of a club for not respecting the manager.

 

I think the fact we've had two keepers mouthing off shows the ridiculousness their demands. Does it mean that both of them should be number 1? Surely at least one of them is patently wrong? They can't both be right.

 

If the manager does not think they should be first choice, surely there is a probably a good reason?

[craig 5,199]

I'm sure Smith wrote his own P45 by slagging off his boss. When he moves to a big side or gets a regular game for Scotland he can start to say "I told you so" but not before. Bigger and better players than him have been kicked out of a club for not respecting the manager.?

 

But there are some wonderful keepers who have neither played for a big club NOR been capped. Those traits are not always an indication of a player's abilities. Granted it would be a definite positive indicator but by not having those traits doesn't mean he can't say "told you so" - there are quite a few Gers fans that would have preferred having Smith to Letizi - and not everyone wants to chase after the big clubs (ambition is a whole new debate though).

 

I think the fact we've had two keepers mouthing off shows the ridiculousness their demands. Does it mean that both of them should be number 1? Surely at least one of them is patently wrong? They can't both be right.

 

But yes they CAN be both right calscot. This debate inherently stems from McGregor believing that he should be #1, as did Smith. They can both be right because they BOTH believed they were the best keeper at the club in thewir own mind, it is called confidence in your abilities. Obviously they both can't be but that doesn't mean one, or both, of them are wrong.

 

If the manager does not think they should be first choice, surely there is a probably a good reason?

 

Under Eck's stewardship not necessarily so. Probably a good reason doesn't also mean there IS one.

[theboyharley 5]

This situation is all to similar to the start of last season. Does anyone think it would make a difference as to whether or not Mcgregor keeps the gloves if it had been Klos that was our number one? Would they feel the same as last year when big Porno kept the gloves because of the job he did when we signed him as a lot of fans wanted Klos to go back in as our first choice keeper

[calscot 0]

But there are some wonderful keepers who have neither played for a big club NOR been capped. Those traits are not always an indication of a player's abilities. Granted it would be a definite positive indicator but by not having those traits doesn't mean he can't say "told you so" - there are quite a few Gers fans that would have preferred having Smith to Letizi - and not everyone wants to chase after the big clubs (ambition is a whole new debate though).

 

Perhaps Smith just wasn't considered good enough for Rangers, how will we ever know?

 

 

 

But yes they CAN be both right calscot. This debate inherently stems from McGregor believing that he should be #1, as did Smith. They can both be right because they BOTH believed they were the best keeper at the club in thewir own mind, it is called confidence in your abilities. Obviously they both can't be but that doesn't mean one, or both, of them are wrong.

 

It does show why they are both wrong to protest and why it is right that they should be ignored. You can't please all the people all of the time and that goes double for ambitious goalkeepers. Just because you think you deserve it, doesn't mean you do. The way to get noticed is not noising off, it's acting professionally and playing consistantly well. Blackmailing a manager will only see you through the revolving door and show a lack of loyalty to your club doesn't make you popular with the fans either.

 

If he wants to go then let him go, I'm only interested in players who want to play for Rangers, no matter how good they are - and so far MacGregor has shown us very little to suggest he's anything special anyway.

 

The only reason he's got any support at all is that Letizi has not been convincing. If Stephan Klos had played all the games last season that he was fit, as well as he's played before and just signed a new reduced contract for a couple more seasons, then we'd all be shouting "GTF!"

 

Under Eck's stewardship not necessarily so. Probably a good reason doesn't also mean there IS one.

 

You have a point there but PLG has a fantastic reputation as a manager, I think for the moment he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he knows more about picking a team than you or I or Alan MacGregor.

[Gribz 743]

Im actually looking forward to seeing what happens now that Klos is back in training. Who will be Number 1? Who will be Number 2? Whon wont be on the bench?

 

Its a great problem to have.

 

I also wouldnt mind knowing Le Guens views on Klos as he hasnt commented on him yet. He must rate him (who doesnt!) as he would of probably got rid of him in the summer if he didnt see him as part of the plans.

 

But IMO if Klos is 100% Id have in in between the stick hands down! But i realise he has barely caught a ball for almost 2 years and is 35 now so he may have lost a bit of his quality but I hope not.