stole this from ff. re dortmund. (a great example to us)

[the gunslinger 3,366]

Dortmund's starting line up tonight and lessons to be learned

1. Roman Weidenfeller (32) - free

 

26. Lukasz Piszczek (27) - free

4. Neven Subotic (24) - â?¬4.5m

15. Mats Hummels (24) - â?¬4m

29. Marcel Schmelzer (25) - free

 

6. Sven Bender (23) - free

8. Ilkay Gundogan (22) - â?¬4m

 

16. Jakub Blaszczykowski (27) - â?¬3m

10. Mario Goetze (20) - free

11. Marco Reus (23) - â?¬17.1m

 

9. Robert Lewandowski (24) - â?¬4.5m

 

Total cost - â?¬37.1m

Average age - 24.63

 

How many of those players do we think were the finished article when signed by Dortmund, and how many of them have been improved by various coaches, in particular Klopp?

 

Oh, and that average age is lower than our "team full of kids" was at the weekend.

[simplythebest 0]

I think Lewandowski has just about been value for money..

[Max Rebo's Big Blue Nose 0]

And our manager needs 10 million to win the 2nd Division...

[plgsarmy 111]

I think Lewandowski has just about been value for money..

 

Guy on FF also said he contacted Ewan Chester about this guy in 2008 but apparently we had better targets to sign.

[simplythebest 0]

Guy on FF also said he contacted Ewan Chester about this guy in 2008 but apparently we had better targets to sign.

 

Kyle fucking Lafferty probably.

[54andcounting 0]

Guy on FF also said he contacted Ewan Chester about this guy in 2008 but apparently we had better targets to sign.

 

Celtic wanted him in 2008 but wouldn't pay the 1.3M asking fee

[plgsarmy 111]

Celtic wanted him in 2008 but wouldn't pay the 1.3M asking fee

 

After all the money they made on that tour of Japan?

[djbroxybear 0]

The reality is a good Management Team would get the best out the squad we have , they haven't turned into shite players overnight. there is a good nucleus of players to build a good team playing attacking football to watch if managed properly.

 

Dortmund have proved it can be done at that level, QOTS proved it can be done in Div 2..

[JTP 0]

In the grand scheme of things that is still a very very expensive squad.

 

I think FDB's Ajax side who pumped Man City last year? would be a better example for us.

 

Vermeer - youth product

Van Rhijn - youth product

Alderweireld - youth product

Moisander - 2.5m

Blind - youth product

Eriksen - youth product

Poulsen - free

Schone - free

Sana - 250k

De Jong - youth product

Babel - free (originally a youth product)

 

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19985608

Edited April 25, 2013 by JTP

[calscot 0]

Dortmund's starting line up tonight and lessons to be learned

1. Roman Weidenfeller (32) - free

 

26. Lukasz Piszczek (27) - free

4. Neven Subotic (24) - €4.5m

15. Mats Hummels (24) - €4m

29. Marcel Schmelzer (25) - free

 

6. Sven Bender (23) - free

8. Ilkay Gundogan (22) - €4m

 

16. Jakub Blaszczykowski (27) - €3m

10. Mario Goetze (20) - free

11. Marco Reus (23) - €17.1m

 

9. Robert Lewandowski (24) - €4.5m

 

Total cost - €37.1m

Average age - 24.63

 

How many of those players do we think were the finished article when signed by Dortmund, and how many of them have been improved by various coaches, in particular Klopp?

 

Oh, and that average age is lower than our "team full of kids" was at the weekend.

 

The mean is always skewed by outliers, when you have a trio that are 33, 34 and 35 year old in the team, it moves the mean up somewhat but is hardly making it an old team.

 

Funny how I don't see a single teenager in that squad and only two under 23. We've played at least 6 teenagers and 14 under 23's.

 

In fact we had 10 under 23's in the squad and 8 played. We had 4 teenagers and 3 played.

 

The average of the squad was 22.8 and those who played was 23.4. The starting line up was 24.7.

 

Take away Jig and Alexander and the average of those that played was 21.5. Take away the two youngest to balance and you get 22.

 

The meadian of those that played was 22. The starting line up 23 and the squad 21.5. Dortmund median 24.

 

You just have to exchange Alexander for Cammy Bell and you get a mean of 23.9 for the starting team, and 22.7 for those that played.

 

Dortmund have done incredibly we but it's very easy to sit back and choose the best team of a season. I didn't see anyone picking them for the CL final at the beginning. And the main point is that every other team in Europe can be shamed by how well they've done with a young and cheapish squad. Not just us.

 

But to compare to us is ludicrous. They didn't start the summer with about 7 players and then have about £2m in total to spend while having the negative of finding players to play in the bottom tier. I'm sure their wage bill must be at least in the thirty millions.

 

They are possibly a club to emulate but then last season they were poor in the CL so maybe this is a flash in the pan or purple patch. You could equally say Rangers' Europa final team is one to emulate.