calscot 0 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Sorry to invoke Godwin's law but referencing Nazi Germany, looking after yourself and ignoring your enemies doesn't always work, if you don't make a stand against your enemies you can find things spiralling out of control. If some people are right, that has already happened to us and our enemies are at work to finish the job. I really can't see how we are fully to blame for the perfect storm we've been through. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm sorry but if we keep looking to blame Tims for our plight we'll never sort it. The people who are responsible for it are us, the people who can fix it are us. Enemies can only do us down if we give them the opportunity, we've been providing opportunities by the bucket load for years now. Correct. This whole fiasco can be traced back to one man. David Murray. His mismanagement of the club in the latter part of his tenure is the whole reason we are where we are. Timmy took, and continues to take, full adavntage of our plight, like jackals on a wounded zebra - but we are the only ones responsible for getting ourselves into the situation which allowed them to do that in the first place. By the way. That flow chart graphy thing? Embarrassing. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,255 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I find it rather stranget that people have such an self-only point of view. Be that playing performances or the topic at hand. Murray sure was to blame for quite a bit of our current state, but simply ignoring HMRC's witchhunt and the credit crunch that wrecked Murray's resources, plus Lloyds' hand in our takeover would stretch history. As for the flowing chart bit ... what is embarrassing about it? Sure, some of the stuff is rather "biased", yet, facts remain facts, not least when it comes to the links between the SPL, SFA, Fare and you know who. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real PapaBear 0 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I find it rather stranget that people have such an self-only point of view. Be that playing performances or the topic at hand. Murray sure was to blame for quite a bit of our current state, but simply ignoring HMRC's witchhunt and the credit crunch that wrecked Murray's resources, plus Lloyds' hand in our takeover would stretch history. As for the flowing chart bit ... what is embarrassing about it? Sure, some of the stuff is rather "biased", yet, facts remain facts, not least when it comes to the links between the SPL, SFA, Fare and you know who. The point is that had Murray not mismanaged the club, there would have been no opportunity for HMRC to do what they did, nor would Lloyds have had any say in the club whatsoever. Murray's steel business suffered in the economic crisis, for sure - but our well-being should not have depended on the success or otherwise of his other businesses. As for the chart, do you *really* need me to explain why it's embarrassing? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,263 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 The point is that had Murray not mismanaged the club, there would have been no opportunity for HMRC to do what they did, nor would Lloyds have had any say in the club whatsoever. Murray's steel business suffered in the economic crisis, for sure - but our well-being should not have depended on the success or otherwise of his other businesses. As for the chart, do you *really* need me to explain why it's embarrassing? how did SDM mis-manage the club ? EBT's were a perfectly legal form of tax avoidance. We were within our overdraft limit until LBG took over HBOS. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfly Trumpeter 50 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Aren't we over-estimating Reid here? He's no Lex Luthor - he doesn't exactly have a history of organisational competence. If he was charged with keeping a secret, some of the details would have escaped. Over estimating a man who was in a position of massive power and influence? From being able to pick up the phone and get hold of any person in the government immediately, sorting a few issues with hmrc, a toytown bank in virtual goverment ownership and the various football authorities in our parochial wee shit hole would be a 60 second walk in the park. We, on the other hand, cannot make contact with a local mp. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,263 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Aren't we over-estimating Reid here? He's no Lex Luthor - he doesn't exactly have a history of organisational competence. If he was charged with keeping a secret, some of the details would have escaped. If anything I think we've under-estimated Reid's role in all of this. I want to know why HMRC chased a fictitious tax bill and if LBG blackmailed SDM into selling to Whyte. We know all the main players in all of this. We just need to piece together the evidence so as the true story comes out as I'm sure it will. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,255 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Regarding FARE ... all of Celtic's games in Europe were reported to them because of IRA-okes and sectarian songs. Here is where they went ballistic though. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cooper 0 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Regarding FARE ... all of Celtic's games in Europe were reported to them because of IRA-okes and sectarian songs. Here is where they went ballistic though. Incredible stuff. Any comment from them yet? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,255 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Incredible stuff. Any comment from them yet? After reporting them over the Frank de Boer chants et al, an FFer got this reply (despite sending them the youtube-clips as evidence) Recieved this today from FARE after sending them the list of videos of the filth in various games this season. Looks like they are trying to get out of it again. Does anyone have any video footage of the filth singing about RDB in the Ajax game they could provide to send them ? Dear xxx Thank you for your report about racist incidents at the Celtic v Ajax fixture. We take all incidents of such kind seriously and we note your comments about other incidents that may be connected. However, please note we can only report incidents in situations: 1. Where there is strong visual or other evidence of an offence. The discipline and sanctioning framework of international football governing bodies operate on an evidential basis. Clear offences of their disciplinary code must be demonstrated to have been committed. 2. We only report incidents involving international matches. For domestic situations please use the system in place by the Scottish police, Scottish government and other bodies, to report offences. In general terms please note there may be a wariness of reports that are sent to us by one fan group or another based on, or motivated by, ongoing disputes or rivalries. The issue of discrimination in football is too important to be used as a political football. Best regards, Pavel Klymenko FARE Eastern Europe Development Officer FARE | PO Box 72058 | London | EC1P 1UH | UK T: +44 20 7253 6795 You see, if you did not believe in conspiracy and cover ups before, somesuch (going on for years now) slowly but steadily pushes you over the edge. More worryingly, hardly anyone got a reply from UEFA at all. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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