the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Why would we turn down 50 million investment and reduce our ambitions just because we are badly run. Madness. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 When does the Scouting get sorted, how long do they actually need ? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Our ambitions will never change our board will just need to drag there abilities out the gutter and match them or go away. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cooper 0 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Why would we turn down 50 million investment and reduce our ambitions just because we are badly run. Madness. What £50m investment? You're not talking about Kings moonbeams are you mate? BPH and Merlins £50m is more realistic atm. It's not about reducing ambition, it's about operating within our means. We turnedover £38m per year without European football whilst in the top league, Celtics last turnovers were between £63m and £75m in the last few years. We had to reach a European Final just to top £60m. With European participation we still only reach the mid 50's. We have to be realistic. We need to find out how and why Celtic make so much more money than us and actually take a leaf from their book. When does the Scouting get sorted, how long do they actually need ? Has Ally done anything to get a scouting team in place? He is the football manager in charge of all football operations. Has he actually told the board he needs a scouting team? If the board gave him a choice of Jon Daly or John Park who do you think he would choose? I think we all know the answer. Our ambitions will never change our board will just need to drag there abilities out the gutter and match them or go away. I think the fact Ally still has support within our fanbase proves ambitions have lowered mate. We are accepting failure in the Ramsdens Cup these days. We have people shamefuilly saying promotion is all that matters and are judging Ally on that, promotions which are guaranteed before a ball is kicked may i add. You say the board need to get their abilities out the gutter, do you not think Ally and his team have been backed enough in the last 2 years? It's the management team and the players who need to get their abilities out the gutter. We can't afford to give them more money, they have had more than enough, and some. Time and money. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Ger_1872 2 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 What £50m investment? You're not talking about Kings moonbeams are you mate? BPH and Merlins £50m is more realistic atm. It's not about reducing ambition, it's about operating within our means. We turnedover £38m per year without European football whilst in the top league, Celtics last turnovers were between £63m and £75m in the last few years. We had to reach a European Final just to top £60m. With European participation we still only reach the mid 50's. We have to be realistic. We need to find out how and why Celtic make so much more money than us and actually take a leaf from their book. Initial guesses would be larger capacity stadium, better merchandising arrangements (no JJB / Sports Direct deal), better transfer window performance (McGeady, Wanyama, Hooper to name a few) and the fact that we have had to pay for our land in the past (tongue in cheek!). 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 "Has Ally done anything to get a scouting team in place? He is the football manager in charge of all football operations. Has he actually told the board he needs a scouting team? If the board gave him a choice of Jon Daly or John Park who do you think he would choose? I think we all know the answer. " The D of F will see to the scouting set-up!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 What £50m investment? You're not talking about Kings moonbeams are you mate? BPH and Merlins £50m is more realistic atm. It's not about reducing ambition, it's about operating within our means. We turnedover £38m per year without European football whilst in the top league, Celtics last turnovers were between £63m and £75m in the last few years. We had to reach a European Final just to top £60m. With European participation we still only reach the mid 50's. We have to be realistic. We need to find out how and why Celtic make so much more money than us and actually take a leaf from their book. Has Ally done anything to get a scouting team in place? He is the football manager in charge of all football operations. Has he actually told the board he needs a scouting team? If the board gave him a choice of Jon Daly or John Park who do you think he would choose? I think we all know the answer. I think the fact Ally still has support within our fanbase proves ambitions have lowered mate. We are accepting failure in the Ramsdens Cup these days. We have people shamefuilly saying promotion is all that matters and are judging Ally on that, promotions which are guaranteed before a ball is kicked may i add. You say the board need to get their abilities out the gutter, do you not think Ally and his team have been backed enough in the last 2 years? It's the management team and the players who need to get their abilities out the gutter. We can't afford to give them more money, they have had more than enough, and some. Time and money. You can't compare our turnovers. We had no commercial dept they did. Take 10 to 15 off there's to make it comparable 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cooper 0 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 You can't compare our turnovers. We had no commercial dept they did. Take 10 to 15 off there's to make it comparable What do you class as commercial income? We have a *commercial department, it brought in only **£1m last year, anyway i'm comparing both as top tier clubs, we have our historic figures and where they are as well financially and it's miles and miles ahead of us. There is no getting away from that. A one off investment of whatever amount of millions would only be a short term fix and we would be back to square one within a few years again. We need a sustainable strategy to challenge Celtic. *http://www.rangers.co.uk/hospitality-events/by-official-appointment For further details or to register your interest, please contact the Club's Commercial Department on 0871 702 1972* (option 2). **http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2439954/Rangers-reveal-14-4million-losses-Ally-McCoist-takes-pay-cut.html Other major sources of revenue included sponsorship and advertising (£819,000), retail (£1.6m), broadcasting rights (£778,000) and commercial revenues of almost £1m. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,329 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 What £50m investment? You're not talking about Kings moonbeams are you mate? BPH and Merlins £50m is more realistic atm. It's not about reducing ambition, it's about operating within our means. We turnedover £38m per year without European football whilst in the top league, Celtics last turnovers were between £63m and £75m in the last few years. We had to reach a European Final just to top £60m. With European participation we still only reach the mid 50's. We have to be realistic. We need to find out how and why Celtic make so much more money than us and actually take a leaf from their book. From memory, in addition to the larger stadium, Celtic reflected the whole of their retail turnover in their figures whereas we only showed the new profit from the JJB deal. They made a lot more turnover but we probably made more profit. Turnover isn't necessarily that relevant. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,329 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Initial guesses would be larger capacity stadium, better merchandising arrangements (no JJB / Sports Direct deal), better transfer window performance (McGeady, Wanyama, Hooper to name a few) and the fact that we have had to pay for our land in the past (tongue in cheek!). Player sales wouldn't be included in turnover. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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