Rangers and Hibs issued with Notices of Complaint

[cooponthewing 1,139]

I have had a look through this thread also read comments on other forums on the subject. As usual it's "club should make a stand/ tell SFA to get stuffed" "players should not play for Scotland" etc. Yet the same posters will fall over themselves to buy tickets for games at Hampden.

 

Don't see how that's relevant to following your team to a CF??? Its hardly the time to be picking fault with each other mate, we are all getting shafted.

[BEARGER 1,829]

Don't see how that's relevant to following your team to a CF??? Its hardly the time to be picking fault with each other mate, we are all getting shafted.

 

As long as we continue to line their pockets this will continue. I'm just fed up with the constant whining and whinging from fellow bears, make a stand or shut up. Not saying you're a whiner & whinger;)3just making a observation of what I read on forums etc. If it was them they would be organised, we just moan. We even moan about people who give up their spare time for Club1872.

Rant over.

[Davie P 4]

The SFA may in fact have inadvertently done us a favour. After Motherwell getting their ridiculous 'smack on the hand" sanction (!) surely any fan in Scotland (i.e. non Rangers fan), must see this organisation for what it is. If anyone ever believed that they are neutral and impartial, this decision to ignore the attacks on the Rangers players must have removed any lingering doubts. Petrie must have some pics of Regan in compromising poistions to get away with this!

 

Time to move to England, God willing, and start over again in the 5th division rather than spend a further minute under this backward, prejudiced, cowardly and corrupt organisation.

[ian1964 10,447]

The SFA, Police Scotland and the cover-up of the Cup Final debacle

 

By Mark Dingwall

Updated Wednesday, 31st August 2016

 

After the Hibs fans invaded the pitch and proceeded to assault Rangers players en masse all that has happened since has been entirely predictable.

 

The first move was to kick the issue into the long grass; instead of the instant justice which would have been meted out had Rangers fans been the main culprits we were instead treated to denial and the playing down of what had happened by the three monkeys of this tale - Hibernian FC, the SFA and Police Scotland. Instead of clear and timeous action we got the news that Edward Bowen QC had been appointed to produce a report for the Board of the SFA to consider.

 

It’s a tactic as old as the hills. Calm everyone down, reassure them that the persons conducting the inquiry are, of course, brimming with the highest levels of integrity - essentially buy time so that memories will fade and momentum will be lost.

 

They got that bit right - if Rangers had been the culprits I can confidently predict that the Cup would have been with-held, entry to European competition would have been cancelled, we’d have been banned from the Scottish Cup for a good few years and even our licence to play football would have been up for discussion. Hibs? They got a wee wag of the finger and a bit of tut-tutting.

 

Another old administrative trick, well-honoured by decades of use by the Establishment, is to set the Terms of Reference in such a way as to funnel attention in a certain direction which makes the final report arrive at a pre-determined destination.

 

Over the last five or six years I found it to be very useful to actually read the boring stuff in its entirety - legal opinions, governing body rules, prospectuses, etc. So, I suggest if you are interested to understand what is going on that you take the time to read Mr Bowen’s report - as if by magic at 51 pages it is over the psychological barrier of 50! -

 

http://goo.gl/6ZetKD

 

Talk about money for old rope - he spends a lot of time stating the blindingly obvious in order to set the scene. Rather than a detailed analysis of what went wrong there’s a lot of repetition of waffle about regulatory frameworks, ground regulations and safety certificates. He just doesn’t grasp the nettle. The report is heavily padded with inane observations about the sequence of events and previous incidents. For example - The three historic pitch invasions given separate sections in Mr Bowen’s report all involve Rangers. Do you get the picture?

 

Mr Bowen’s conclusions are for the most part laughable - the phrase “consideration should be given" is repeatedly used: in other words, more delay and no attribution of blame. From reading the report you would gain the impression that the governing bodies, police and stewards - no matter how highly paid some of them are or how many years of experience they have - couldn’t have predicted what had happened and would not have been able to cope even if they did.

 

The poor lambs.

 

His last recommendation is the rather plaintive plea to have all clubs appoint Supporter Liaison Officers - the effect this will have had on the sweepings of the Leith gutter I leave to your imagination.

 

Now that the SFA had bought themselves time to wash their hands of the problem they undoubtedly counted on the cultural bias against Rangers coming into play and helping to massage reality, take the spotlight off of the themselves and slowly rope Rangers into the dock alongside Hibs as equal partners. This is exactly what happened.

 

Spiers was one culprit, the Scotsman another - the idea was floated that somehow Hibs fans had been enraged by Rangers arrogance and the singing of naughty songs. The “contempt” for Rangers brought upon by this was presented as natural and a pretext for the pitch invasion: after all, who cares if “bigots”, even ones in wheelchairs, are assaulted?

 

The Daily Record excelled itself with the invention by Jane Hamilton of a mass assault by Rangers fans on police reserves outside the ground - excellent work by Club 1872 and individual fans ran coach and horses through that (I’ll discuss this in another article later this week) - but the scene was set.

 

The police too would play their part in shifting the blame from Hibernian fans. They too suffer from cultural bias - for too long senior officers have directed Police Scotland resources out of all proportion at the whim of their political masters - whether Labour or SNP - in the direction of Rangers. This hatred - whether politically or religiously motivated - has been subsidised by the public purse. Hence, for example, of the first 26 reported arrests 18 were of Rangers fans fans despite the pitch invaders being something in the order of 10 or 20 to one in the favour of Hibs.

 

The reason for that? Psychological and administrative conditioning. While Rangers players were being assaulted the police resources and cameras were trained to a large degree on the Rangers support. The disparity in the number of arrests throughout the summer is also easily explainable - by filming, photographing and indexing Rangers fans for years under the pretext of sectarianism Police Scotland have a vast database of ordinary fans to work from. For the last 30 years Hibs and Aberdeen have had a hooligan problem vastly more serious compared with the size of their supports than any other clubs in Scotland - yet that remains a lower priority than the possibility of Rangers and Celtic fans opening up on one another with automatic weaponry.

 

Earlier this summer we had the head of the Police Federation warbling about what a tough job his members had until he was slapped down with the facts - but again his largely anti-Rangers diatribes helped to set the scene.

 

I don’t believe in co-incidences - so therefore it was no surprise that at the beginning of this week the newspapers carried lurid claims that had Hampden been policed any other way “people would have died.” Conveniently timed to appear the day before the SFA Compliance Officer issued his charges against Hibs and Rangers. Again, taking the heat off the authorities and onto the fans - getting people talking about that issue and dulling the effect of the pitiful content of the charges laid against the clubs. Hibs to be taken to task for the assaults on players? Best of luck with that thought!

 

In summary: over the summer we’ve seen a classic case of pigeons coming home to roost. The lack of direction and strategy within Ibrox for decades has led to the creation of conditions in which the authorities and powers that be feel safe to neglect their duties and to place the blame for sin on what they consider a safe target - the Rangers support.

 

In this instance it hasn’t gone quite as they hoped - the credibility of the SFA, Police Scotland and sections of the media has been badly damaged as a result mostly of the work of small groups of Rangers fans. disgusted by years of stereotyping doing, the hard slog of hounding those who need to be hounded by the application of the difficult and diligent work needed to expose the lies and bias.

 

You didn’t need to be a genius to work out within minutes of the final whistle how this would play out - both clubs will get their knuckles wrapped, Hibs will be fined a bit more than Rangers, and “Scottish football will consider the lessons to be learned.” Business as usual.

 

Only this time - the blatant bias in various quarters has served to wake up tens of thousands of Rangers fans - it’s a tide than will not recede. Let’s build on that and direct it into positive work.

 

 

http://www.followfollow.com/news/tmnw/the_scottish_football_association_police_scotland_and_the_coverup_of_the_cup_final_debacle_893583/index.shtml

Edited August 31, 2016 by Frankie

[the gunslinger 3,366]

Plus those teachers who shag young boys are always lovely

[aweebluesoandso 290]

Plus those teachers who shag young boys are always lovely

 

We never had that luxury when i was at school, a sniff of Patchouli Oil and a wack on the back of the heid was all we got.

[boabie 230]

I'm not talking specifically about this forum but I wish Rangers fans would stop talking about getting out of this country and moving to England. It's been going on for years and we're no further forward. Please stop it. Even taking into consideration the rubbish in the press recently, it is quite simply not going to happen.

The clatty mob have our game sewn up and there is nothing we can do to affect that other than withhold our money to stop funding them. If you are not willing to do that then stop whining about the current situation.

The above is posted with the greatest respect to all here.

[JFK-1 1,677]

I'm not talking specifically about this forum but I wish Rangers fans would stop talking about getting out of this country and moving to England. It's been going on for years and we're no further forward. Please stop it. Even taking into consideration the rubbish in the press recently, it is quite simply not going to happen.

The clatty mob have our game sewn up and there is nothing we can do to affect that other than withhold our money to stop funding them. If you are not willing to do that then stop whining about the current situation.

The above is posted with the greatest respect to all here.

 

Well you're at odds with the fans of clubs currently in the football league in England who think there is a distinct possibility this can and will become a reality. TV money rules the game and the football league is determined to reorganise and get a TV deal of their own because the EPL point blank refuses to give them what they consider to be a fair share of the pot.

 

They would and will invite anybody SKY asked for into it and while many fans in England think it's unfair they also realise the inevitability that the football league will dance to the SKY tune like everyone else does.

 

Regarding fans being unhappy about it this is a comment by one of them.

 

At the end of the day if any Scottish club wants to join English football then by all means apply but they should have to start at the very bottom of the league system, in this part of the world the North West Counties league first division is the lowest level were there is no automatic relegation and that is level 10 on the Football pyramid. I wonder if Celtic or Rangers would want to join English football if they knew it'd take at least a decade to get to the PL?

 

While another responded to that with this.

 

They wouldn't, which is why "FL100"/"League 3" is being engineered to give them a shortcut, and they are all guaranteed to take it.

[boabie 230]

JFK - Any Scottish club playing in England would need the permission of the SFA, no matter what amount of money Sky are presently throwing at the English game or what Sky might think is desirable to their customers. Sky are powerful. But they are not God.

Why on earth would the SFA let the ONLY thing in their whole operation worth any money waltz off to play in another country's league ?

That is to say nothing of the operational police problems in having thousands of fans heading off to matches down south every second week or the same number of English fans wandering around Glasgow on the same day that Scottish matches are taking place.

The SFA alone will kill this one stone dead.

[JFK-1 1,677]

JFK - Any Scottish club playing in England would need the permission of the SFA, no matter what amount of money Sky are presently throwing at the English game or what Sky might think is desirable to their customers. Sky are powerful. But they are not God.

Why on earth would the SFA let the ONLY thing in their whole operation worth any money waltz off to play in another country's league ?

That is to say nothing of the operational police problems in having thousands of fans heading off to matches down south every second week or the same number of English fans wandering around Glasgow on the same day that Scottish matches are taking place.

The SFA alone will kill this one stone dead.

 

Maybe you're aware of something unknown to me? Can you show me something demonstrating that the SFA can decide where Rangers choose to play their football? I have never seen anything that remotely suggested the SFA can tell anyone what to do with their club. The media never mention any such thing when all manner of alternative leagues are raised whether it be England or a North Atlantic league.

 

This is a private company, the SFA don't own it. They could allow us or disallow us to play in the Scottish cup but outside that they're nothing to my knowledge. But again if you can show me anything suggesting otherwise I would be interested to see it.