Thinker 862 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: We're there to support and assist the team playing a football match. If I wanted to support the BLM movement, I'd have attended their marches. I support anti-discrimination initiatives by not discriminating. It's a shame the same can't be said about the songs we've had to bin. Supporters - do what you're told. Players - guide us in the ways of the world. You're veering away from the points I'm trying to make here. Booing before kick-off will have a negative effect on the team and negative consequences for the club. That's because you can't effectively express your counter-argument to taking the knee by booing. To make a parallel: I fully support the wearing of poppies by players around remembrance day. Whilst you could debate the political nuances of this, anybody who would boo a player for wearing a poppy is wilfully misinterpreting what the display is intended to mean and is an embarassment to their club. Do you disagree with any of that? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,609 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thinker said: Do you disagree with any of that? Yes. I'd take all the poppy/remembrance stuff out of football too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 862 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Yes. I'd take all the poppy/remembrance stuff out of football too. Would you express that by booing players for wearing a poppy? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,609 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thinker said: Would you express that by booing players for wearing a poppy? No. I did ask you previously what alternative course of action the Millwall fans should have taken but you didn't respond (other than a later comment about a banner - which I doubt would make any difference). Your focus seems to mainly be on the booing but the focus should be on taking the knee and why it provoked such a response (I wouldn't boo it, just to clarify). Edited December 9, 2020 by Gonzo79 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 862 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: No. I did ask you previously what alternative course of action the Millwall fans should have taken but you didn't respond (other than a later comment about a banner - which I doubt would make any difference). Apologies. I don't read everything you post. I disagree about the banner. It would be a far clearer way to get the point across. 12 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Your focus seems to mainly be on the booing but the focus should be on taking the knee and why it provoked such a response (I wouldn't boo it, just to clarify). I'm glad to hear you wouldn't boo our players. I agree that taking the knee should be cross-examined in a clear and unambiguous way. Certainly no negativity should be directed at the players who cleary have no intention of promoting far-left revolutionary politics. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,609 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Thinker said: Certainly no negativity should be directed at the players who cleary have no intention of promoting far-left revolutionary politics Did you say the same about DiCanio and far-right ideology when he saluted the Lazio fans (he stated at the time it's a Roman salute and not a Nazi salute)? Edited December 9, 2020 by Gonzo79 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,157 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, Thinker said: Would you express that by booing players for wearing a poppy? Good point but no. I argue my way out of that by saying kneeling and delaying the start of the match is intrusive. A poppy image on a shirt is not, though whether it should be is a different argument. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 862 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scott7 said: Good point but no. I argue my way out of that by saying kneeling and delaying the start of the match is intrusive. A poppy image on a shirt is not, though whether it should be is a different argument. True. I suppose you could more easily compare it to a pre-match minute's silence to mark Remembrance Day. That might delay the kick-off, but again isn't something any reasonable person should boo. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,157 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I agree with Gonzo. There should be no Silences. I don’t believe in booing anything except celtic running out of the tunnel. That luxury has been denied for a good number of years since the practice began of both teams daundering out together. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 862 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Scott7 said: I don’t believe in booing anything except celtic running out of the tunnel. That luxury has been denied for a good number of years since the practice began of both teams daundering out together. I think we can all agree with that! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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