JohnMc 2,483 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ieatbats said: Blaming the victim? How is saying they should have walked off the pitch blaming the victim? Surely that is supporting the victim or has Scottish wokeness now turned right into wrong, genuinely confused at your response Let me be clear then. The only player you've criticised on this forum is Glen Kamara for not walking off the pitch. How a black man responds to racism seems to be exercising you far more than the actual racism itself. You've offered no support to the victim, only criticism. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,353 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, JohnMc said: Let me be clear then. The only player you've criticised on this forum is Glen Kamara for not walking off the pitch. How a black man responds to racism seems to be exercising you far more than the actual racism itself. You've offered no support to the victim, only criticism. I think he was saying that the team should have walked off the pitch, and it wasn't aimed at Kamara himself. That's certainly the way I took it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 If the abuse of Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe shows anything, it's the pointlessness of pretending that a kneeling gesture will somehow buffer black players from racial abuse, or that those who perform the ritual will never abuse others. The problem isn't caused by not taking a knee, any more than it's solved by kneeling. The problem is a serious one but entirely disengaged from BLM-inspired rituals. There's a danger that knee-taking and other social signalling only provides a shield of false virtue for actual racists to hide behind. Kneel or don't kneel but don't pretend it has any positive effect on those who perpetrated racism before kneeling started and, the evidence shows, will certainly not now be dissuaded by the ritual of footballers taking a knee 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker 886 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Bill said: If the abuse of Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe shows anything, it's the pointlessness of pretending that a kneeling gesture will somehow buffer black players from racial abuse, or that those who perform the ritual will never abuse others. The problem isn't caused by not taking a knee, any more than it's solved by kneeling. The problem is a serious one but entirely disengaged from BLM-inspired rituals. There's a danger that knee-taking and other social signalling only provides a shield of false virtue for actual racists to hide behind. Kneel or don't kneel but don't pretend it has any positive effect on those who perpetrated racism before kneeling started and, the evidence shows, will certainly not now be dissuaded by the ritual of footballers taking a knee Certainly, prematch kneeling in the UK is unlikely to reduce racism in Czech football. Do they take the knee in Prague? Are players and fans in the Czech league routinely exposed to messages highlighting the harm casual racism can cause? If not (and I suspect they aren't) maybe they should be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 6,877 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Racism is rife in society, as last night has shown, and its probably the worst it has been in my lifetime. Social media has a lot to answer for, allowing faceless keyboard warriors to pollute all platforms with their racist shit. Gestures may be futile but until punishments are handed out, then what else can we do? It has to be highlighted and should never be ignored. No one should have to put with with being abused - anyone dishing out abuse should be dealt with appropriately- it's as simple as that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieatbats 49 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Bluedell said: I think he was saying that the team should have walked off the pitch, and it wasn't aimed at Kamara himself. That's certainly the way I took it. Thank you, of course I defend a player being racially abused in this day and age my point was taking the knee has little to no effect whereas the team walking off of such a high profile match would have gained worldwide coverage and highlight the problems. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, CammyF said: Racism is rife in society ...... its probably the worst it has been in my lifetime. That’s about as far from the truth as it’s possible to be. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 6,877 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Bill said: That’s about as far from the truth as it’s possible to be. Is it? That's your opinion, I stick by mine. Really not in the mood to get into this tonight, I'm still seething regarding the latest episode in a sad long line of Rangers players being racially abused recently (It's not confined to Rangers players or even the UK, it's all over). Edited March 19, 2021 by CammyF 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,241 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 The difference now is down to saturation cover by television,the onset of SOCIAL MEDIA??(what's social about it??) which glorifies any situation or totally allows the degrading of coloured persons. The immediate appearance of agitators/do-gooders,as in the recent silent vigil gatherings, causes most of the problems. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 6,877 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Glen Kamara statement There is no place for racism or any form of bigotry in football. Since summer many of us have taken the knee in solidarity with those who have lost their lives to racial violence. If UEFA genuinely wants to 'show racism the red card', then it’s time to stop the tokenism and take a zero-tolerance approach.As a player I do not expect myself, nor any other to have to tolerate racial hatred on or off the pitch in 2021. The vile racist abuse by Ondrej Kedel, took place on the international stage, and any failure to act by UEFA will be viewed as a greenlight for racism.During yesterday’s match with Slavia Prague, Kedel was arguing with a Rangers player and after I tried to intervene, he told me to shut up and then said 'one second my friend'.He then came over to me covering his mouth, leaning into my ear, he uttered the words – 'You’re a f****** monkey, you know you are”I was shocked and horrified to hear such racist abuse from a professional football player. Kedel’s claim he simply swore at me and said 'You’re a f****** guy” is a complete and utter lie, which does not stand up to any form of scrutiny."Kedel’s actions were deliberate and premeditated, but he was loud enough for my team-mate Bongani Zungu to hear what was said."I am grateful for the unconditional support of my team, our club and especially our manager Steven Gerrard. "I want to thank not just our Rangers fans, but the many fans from across the football community and beyond, for calling out racism not just against myself, but also fellow player Kemar Roofe, who was subjected to a tirade of racist bile on Instagram."We as black players are sick of the freedom that such bigots are given to parade their hatred on social media and wonder when the likes of Instagram will start to take action. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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