Tannochsidebear

Another Pro-Liewell patsy joins the fun. And yet again no quotes or any proof that this is on the agenda for a board meeting that may or may not be taking place on Tuesday. And still our fans believe anything that is written in a negative fashion by these Rangers-hating agenda-driven scumbags. Roddy Forsyth has as much chance of knowing what is going on inside our club as Neil Lennon. Think about it, what Rangers supporter or employee in their right mind whould be giving out private, potentially damaging information to a Rangers-hating journalist to see out club being dragged through the mud again. when you can answer me that I might take more notice of their mumblings but until then I shall continue to pay no notice to what the likes of Jackson and Forsyth, Spiers and Keevins, say about our club.

Any club who thinks it could be borderline for postions 9-12 int he SPL should be voting no to this reconstruction. How can they possibly sell season tickets, still an absolutely essential part of the club's finances and cashflow, when they dont know what league almost half of their fixtures will be in? The only possible option clubs will have (and frankly this should be every club apart from celtic) will be to try to sell season tickets for the 11 home games pre-split, and then try to sell the remainder. Not only will this lead to a huge drop in cashflow in the vital barren summer period but for those clubs who dont make the top 8, it will lead to an almost certain drop off in tickets sold as they are then doomed to scrap for one of 4 places to remain in the upper league for the first half of the following season. Any additional (but not proven ) suggested income from tv or sponsorship deals through the SPL will not account for the loss in supporter ticket sales over a season when considering hospitality packages, programmes, pies, club shop sales etc that larger numbers of ST supporters will drive. And that is before those private figures are analysed properly to see if in fact there is even a hope of an increase which seems to most observers are extremely unlikely.

Sensationalistic nonsense from a totally discredited newspaper and journalist. Not one bit of evidence in dozens of paragraphs. Not one official quote. This again reinforces my belief that this is part of the campaign to destroy our club. Creating divisions and internal troubles over, at worst, minor irratations, is something this paper has been focussing on for some time now. The fact this is all coming out in the build-up to the vote to save the SPL is not coincidental IMO, but part of a very concerted campaign to discredit our club and our CEO, who have been working very hard behind the scenes to persuade clubs to vote against the reconstruction. If these clubs who have been thinking of backing our stance of a no vote, perhaps with the offer of building bridges and relationships with our club, are now reading every day that Green's position is under threat, that leaves them wondering if backing our side of the fight on reconstruction is the right one. I have absolutely no doubt that everything that has been going on the last couple of weeks has been highlighted, written about, and done to death purely to deflect away from our campaign to have the reconstruction vote defeated. This vote is the only thing that can save the SPL, and it is typical behaviour from those who run that sham organisation to throw the dirty tricks playbook around when in trouble.

They haven't won a title fair and square since 2007. The 2008 one was their fake tour of Japan that forced our knockered squad to squeze in games after a harsh winter had affected the normal programme. Wasn't 2008 also the O'Donnell disgraceful cancelled game because they had injuries and suspensions and shat it from playing us when we were on a great run of form? 2012 obviously was tainted due to the 10 point deduction. Not their fault but it killed the title race and therefore devalued their win. 2013 had no Rangers at all. Any reasonable celtic fans I have spoken to admit there is nothing to celebrate as this title, like ours, was won in July last year.

What a fantastic and refreshing OP there, I enjoyed reading that and can almost entirely agree with it. Given that our squad was decimated last summer, a transfer embargo imposed, other players leaving on loan in the last couple of weeks of the window, it is a wonder we have a squad at all. Yes he has had to gamble on certain trialists like Faure, Cribari and Argy who are nowhere near the quality we would like to see. He has brought in players of SPL quality who have failed to sparkle in Black, Shiels, Templeton, Kyle, Sandaza. His reliance in our youth players has also been a mixed bag with some looking short of the required standard like Perry, Hegarty. However I was having a discussion on the bus on Saturday and going through the list of players who have missed at least a month with injury, and it is almost the entire squad with the exception of Alexander and Wallace. Given such a small squad to start with, that is quite a lot to deal with for any manager. It is not blind loyalty I give to our manager, and I am obviously not blind to see our performances have mostly lacked the style and substance I would want to see, but in order to assess properly if he has done a good job or not you have to take account of all the facts. You also have to ask what the expectations were at the beginning of the season, and were they realistic and achieved. Most people would say wwe should have won the league by 30 points at least, and that looks likely to be around the eventual tally. The Ramsdens cup was the one we should have won and lost on penalties to QotS after conceding a last-minute equaliser when it looked likely we were going through. That can happen in cup football as we all know too well. Ambition for the League Cup or Scottish Cup would be folly, and although we did get our best performance and result of the season in beating table-topping Motherwell in September, both of these exits were to top-6 SPL sides whcih could have happened in any other season also. Another factor I believe is one that needs to be added in is the motivation factor. That is of course part of the manager's job, but it must be awfully difficult to get yourself up for a game against fellow Div 3 opponents week in week out. I asked the boys on the bus on Saturday if they could honestly say they woke up any saturday this season and were really buzzing for the game that day? Nope, and in many cases they couldnt tell you who we were playing, only that it was a home match for example. The guys go every single week and support the club as much as they can, but lets be honest we are not motivated the way we usually are. The same must be true for the players to a degree. Personally, I am not too bothered at the lack of a performance this season. The motive is to win the title and move upwards. Nothing else is all that important. Sadly, it is the same for the next two seasons also. Win the league and move up. Only when we get to the top flight again do we have our motivation back, and boy will we be motivated then against the scum of the country who we wont have forgotten acted in unison against us when we needed their help and understanding that our club had been pillaged by a crook, attacked by the bank, and accused of illegality by HMRC, all of whcih was nothing to do with the management and playing side of our football club, but brought on by the economic crisis affecting Murray's portfolio of other businesses. Only after McCoist has had some time for stability, which given our next transfer window is not freely open to us until January 2014, and our next proper summer trading not available until June 2014, can we properly assess whether he can build, mould and prepare a squad of players he can call his own and we can call a proper team of Rangers footballers. In my book that means giving him the 2014-15 season at least before he can be properly assessed. I often wonder if Sir Alex Ferguson would have been given the same time at Man United if he had joined them in the internet era. Dont forget he got fully 4 years of winning nothing before he managed to win an FA Cup and 6.5 years before he won a league title. It takes time to rebuild a squad, and if you have got the right guy in charge you must afford him the proper time and facilities to let him get on with it. I believe we should let him get on with it and be patient along the way.

Done, good luck to her. CSR not that important to me, we are not here to save the world, we are a football club. Let the big corporations play the CSR card, I'd rather we spent all our money on being a successful football club.

I must be in a minority these days, as the football on display doesnt bother me too much this season. When you take into account the fact that we had no pre-season, were not allowed to sign players until very late in the day, didnt know what league we were going to play in, we have not been allowed to make any adjustments in the window, and we have had loads of injuries to most of the top team players, I dont think we can be too picky about performances. We have lost 3 cup ties and one league game all season, and really only the two losses to QotS and Stirling were unexpected. I am more than happy to leave things as they are until we can get signing players again. Then i would expect Ally to make the necessary changes. That means we are pretty muchstuck with what we have got until the end of NEXT season, as we can only sign free agents from 1 Sep '13, and then we have only the mid-season window next January when good players are rarely available. Also I would expect us to be miles clear in div 2 (ignoring reconstruction for a moment) by the time of the window so it is not going to be hugely important to throw good money at second choice players just for the remaining 15 games or so. We as fans have got to wind our necks in a bit this season and cut the management a bit of slack. If the quality of div 3 football is not what you want to watch, fair enough, but that is where we are and what we are paying for. It is a long road back to the top and it isnt going to be all plain sailing. Thankfully there are only 9 games left so there is not much "torture" left to endure for all of us!!

On FF there and Traynor has not been invited (yet) to go on the show. Not sure who will be on to represent RFC against that pair of horrible liars and Rangers-haters.

I am only going with what I have heard. BDO had already intimated, off the record like, that if a fine was imposed on oldco they would refuse to add it to the creditors list. They must have some legal way of doing this or it may just be bluster, but all the same it would be fantastic to find out that the SPL's fine for this shambles was never realised.

Spot on. Yet again BBC Scotland is incapable of relating facts accurately when it comes to our club. Only last night the sports section of the news was leading by saying tomorrow we would find out if Rangers were getting titles stripped, instead of just stating that tomorrow the commission's verdict would be announced together with any sanctions if guilty. The fine was for not correctly reporting a lawful letter which contained information about loans to properly registered players. But that sounds like nothing so better to report, wrongly, that it is about ineligable players. I doubt it will be corrected by 6.30pm either.

In reality, LNS is saying that the side-letters containing the payments were lawful and that therefore there was no reason for them to be omitted from the documents lodged to the SPL/SFA for player registrations. That we chose to do so without asking them if it was ok not to do so is the only thing they can throw at us out of all this. It makes you more curious as to how they decided to run with this at all in the first place? What sort of pressure were they under to ensure this happened? How do the few sane member clubs of the SPL now feel when they have had to pay up approx £40K per club towards the legal bills for something this petty, in the hope of some of the more deranged amongst them that they could find something to take away titles from us that would only positively affect one club, and negatively affect every club?

Also, Iam quite sure that BDO will not accept that the fine is to be added to the list of Creditors as it is too late to be added, so therefore it will not be paid, even at whatever rate is eventually agreed p in the £ with creditors. I await the SPL now trying to pass this debt on under the 5 way agreement to the current Rangers board. They are in desparate need of the cash as this case has cost them about £500K. Nice work for celtics lawyers and LNS.

When the EBT's were quite clearly identified in the club accounts each and every year, why did nobody at the SFA/SPL ever think to ask club officials at the time why there was no mention of any EBT's in the player registrations contracts, when the club was clearly paying out a lot of money in this way. Every single Autumn when the club accounts came out, the SPL, if doing their job properly, should have been on the case. That they havent done so says that they obviously didnt think it merited anything of note until we went into administration and we were at our weakest point. Then the scumbags, led by our biggest rivals CEO and ably assisted by his friend the CFC/SPL laywer, decided to try to do everything in their power to kill off our club. If this indeed is the last throw of the dice by them then so be it. But we will never forget the last year and all they have done. Regan and Doncaster should be removed from office immediately for their involvement in the events of the last year which tried to take our titles away, our transfer activities away, our league position away.

I think you already know the answer to that GA, but obviously e answer is that football was "unofficial" during WW2, a decision taken at the outbreak of war.

I am very much in the 55th title camp. Titles are by their very definition exactly that, a league title. You can only play in one league per season, so this was the only league title available to us this season, and we have won it. Where I will draw the very proper distinction is when we discuss our World Record of 54 times National Champions. That stays as it is until we win the top league in Scotland again. The two can, and should be seen side by side proudly in our honours book. So for me it is 55 titles and still going strong as the song goes, but also World Record holders of 54 National titles.

At the meeting between the RFWG and Regan last year, he stated to us that it was the documentary that started proceedings at the SFA.

We have all heard the John Reid rumour, but you can be certain there is nothing that will link him to it even if it was him that set this off. He is too good a political animal for that. That said, we do need to have a thorough investigation into the goings on at HMRC for the constant leaking of info and the agressive attitude taken towards the club which didnt mirror the attitude given to other, larger businesses with the same problem.

The email sent out by the RST today in response to a malicious email going round (not seen that one myself) where amongst the things clarified was that only new RST shareholders will be able to vote on discussions regarding the club.

Delighted to hear that, long overdue but very welcome.

The certificate on the wall and the AGM invites are all anyone wants from their small shareholding. To ask people to invest but not even give them that small, but sentimentally important, luxury is where this scheme goes wrong IMO. I am also disappointed to learn today that my voting rights in RST business are going to be taken away to be replaced by, well nothing at all really. Can I ask you, will these new shareholders in RST be able to vote by proxy, or by email, on the way it wants the RST board to either vote or take action on club business? At the moment it is only possible to vote on RST actions at the RST AGM, and only in person. With all these new members/shareholders coming on board, which I welcome, will they have to turn up in person to have a say or is the fundamental workings of the RST going to change to accomodate all these Bears who are signing up from all over the world?

I still dont get this buyRangers scheme. People want to be shareholders in Rangers FC. They want a Rangers FC share certificate for their wall. I dont understand the clamour to become a shareholder in the RST, which is exactly what this scheme does. Your £125 share is not in RFC, it is in RST. RST are then putting the money raised by their own share scheme into buying RFC shares under the name of RST. The punter does not become a shareholder of RFC, the RST does. I think this has not been clearly explained and that an awful lot of punters are buying these shares thinking they are directly buying RFC shares, or that RFC shares will be bought for them when that is not the case. You cannot attend the RFC AGM with a RST share certificate, you can only attend the RST AGM. You dont get any of the perks of being a RFC shareholder, you only get the perks of being s RST shareholder. You have no more a financial interest in RFC by buying shares through the RST scheme than if you bought shares in Blue Pitch Holdings, or any of the other shareholders in RFC. As long as people know that and want to take part then great, but I really believe from the comments on other threads on other forums that a lot of bears parting with their hard-earned are doing so on the assumption that they are buying RFC shares, when they are not.

I agree with your second paragraph, but what utter tosh your last paragraph is. While it is clearly a matter for debate and you have the right to believe what you like about Stein's managerial abilities, there can be very little argument made to try to compare Stein with Struth, who in the pre-European stage built teams that won numerous titles and cups. Ferguson with his 2 Euro Cups, 2 CWC, 2 Super Cups, Intercontinental, World Club cup, 16 domestic titles and 14 domestic cups is also miles ahead of Stein's trophy haul. It is worth remembering that Stein was not very successful at any of his other clubs or the Scotland job. His only trophy outside celtic was the Scottish cup win with Dunfermilne in 1961, so that is hardly the stuff of legend. His Scotland career is also very mixed. Qualifying for the 1982 WC was the obvious highlight, but the failure to get through the group was poor, as was his attempts to qualify for the 1980 Euros (4th out of 5 in the group) or the 1984 Euros (bottom of 4 team group). As for his record in the home internationals, 1 win and 2 bottom places in 6 attempts is hardly anything to write about either. The argument can be easily made that Stein steered a very good group of players at celtic during his tenure, not that he was the important factor in it. Best Scottish manager ever, not a chance. I would have Struth, Shankly & Ferguson miles ahead of him, not even close.

I agree. He has got the job now and starts, like everyone, with a clean slate. Now show us why you are worthy of the position and the salary JT, and you will get respect for it.

That statement was published in the programme at the weekend, which was absolutely fantastic and a must read for every bear.

The personal stuff he had to endure with his family is bang out of order, but sadly typical of some of the scum element of the WoS. However looking for sympathy for his actions is not going to wash. He had the chance to look after the club that paid him handsomely for 4 very mediocre years, most of which was spent on the bench or treatment table. He, like many others who also claimed to be Rangers fans, chose to shaft the club and take bad advice and bail out at the first opportunity when the club needed their help more than ever. For that he, and the others, will never be welcomed back to this club. And no amount of crying interviews to the scum mhedia will change that for me.