maineflyer
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Well I thought that all went quite well. Most interesting. However, I know full well that the lot of you are only stalling while you think of a single reason to see Murray as anything other than a failed chairman who now sees his role as attacking Rangers supporters with sweeping accusations of sectarian bile - anyone here think his description applies to them? can't think where else I've seen that strategy of deflect and deny?
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Oops, there's that "sectarian bile" quote again. Murray will be delighted that his wee contribution to the vernacular has been adopted with such seamless acceptance. What was willingly offended a year ago became merely sectarian. Now it is universally sectarian bile because Murray couldn't keep his mouth shut when someone challenged his own credentials. Isn't life in the Rangers community just so interesting?
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There's no "at last" about it. I've seen many rumours about possible buyers. Murray has even "admitted" openly to receiving enquiries. I don't want the club sold to just anyone either, no one does. But Murray needs to go and, as far as I can see, there is absolutely no tangible evidence that he has any intention of doing so - and certainly not with the best interests of the club in mind. There is no longer the luxury of sitting on the fence, thinking we can coast along. One look at the club's decline these last ten years should tell anyone that Murray's departure has become is a matter of some urgency for this club. His ridiculous outpourings at last week's AGM show how little grasp he has of the situation and how far he is prepared to go to defend his own personal position, rather than that of the club.
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You need to read my posts more carefully then. I have expressed no reservation about who Murray should sell to. Neither have I ever expressed and reservation that he should hesitate to sell. What I have said is that while Murray continually states that HE has reservations and will only sell to someone who HE believes has the "best interests of Rangers at heart", he has NEVER once told us on what criteria he would base that judgement. I have often criticise his stance on this matter as pure obfuscation from a very shady character indeed. For the avoidance of further doubt, I think Murray has been and continues to be fundamentally dishonest with the support, has no long term strategy, cannot select good people around him, has created and maintained the rift between club and support, has no understanding of the passions people feel for this club, and has had a hugely detrimental effect on the fortunes of Rangers. Only irrational fear of the unknown binds people to Murray, who does his utmost to maintain that dependency.
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Dear me girls, so many people defending the gates. It's no wonder Murray finds it so easy to pull wool over tired eyes when so many people are off pursuing style marks. I think this thread has been lost in the process overnight, which is a pity because it's actually an important matter. Hey ho.
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By far the most important thing in my opinion is the dishonesty and fatuous self-interest being perpetrated by people in many aspects of Scottish life to do harm to Rangers and its supporters. I know you understand exactly what I mean by this. Challenging that dishonesty might be as useful an example for anyone's child as protecting them from the language they hear in the playground every day.
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Why would anyone have a complaint about you? You'll find that we're really quite well versed in how forums work and the type of people you meet here and elsewhere. I personally don't mind what you say, just so long as we all have an equal freedom to express opinions in an frank and reasonable manner. BTW, what do you regard as sectarian singing? The Sash, Derry's Walls, TBB, The Famine Song, Follow Follow? What?
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Just so you see where I'm coming from, I'm not prone to even use a swear word at a football match, let alone indulge in sectarian bile. And I have no time for the entire manufactured fakery of organised religion, whatever the flavour being touted. In the context of this forum, my principal concern is with the club and success on the park. I am however content with the Rangers heritage as the "quintessential British club", the loyalist stance and our assimilation of many aspects of the Ulster traditions. I've spewed no bile at Ibrox or elsewhere I've followed the Rangers over several decades. I went to Manchester and didn't have a drink all day, I kicked no policemen and threw no bottles, I behaved myself well and caused no hassle to anyone. I truly do not see myself as sectarian but I do see a great deal of injustice in the way Rangers and its fans are treated in this country. I have no time for Murray. After an initial period of enthusiasm, I see him as weak and directionless, fundamentally dishonest and detrimental to the club. You may not agree and that's OK with me. But I do feel aggrieved that the chairman is prepared to use such a public form as the club's AGM effectively to label supporters who would oppose him as sectarian. It's not the first time he has done this and it's is plain to me from recent posts on several website forums that he has convinced many people that there is a problem where none exists.
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Why don't you allow people to express themselves in the way they chose, instead of these needless interventions?
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Sectarian bile - sounds like a quote from somewhere. Murray would be so proud to see his people so quickly on-message.
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If his silly outburst the other day is anything to go by, that sun is a little watery these days.
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Exactly right JMS. The whole affair is nothing more than a sprat to catch his mackerel. Which is why he can't and won't let anything actually get started until he sells the club - this has nothing to do with the stadium and everything to do with his personal aspirations. Still, as long as there are some who want to swallow this manure, Dodgy Dave will be happy to keep on shovelling it.
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OK, let be more specific. I predict moonbeams over Ibrox.
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I predict another moonbeam.
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Murray doesn't even think he's in a fight here. He thinks he's leading the charge to modernise a sectarian dinosaur. He thinks he's dragging us into the 21st century despite our best efforts to standing the way of progress.
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Because he cannot control what we write and that totally pisses him off. Because he hasn't been able to deliver the success that meets his self-image and that also pisses him off. Because there are still fans out there who want to chose what to think and say and that certainly pisses him off. Warm your hands at the glow of his petulance and irritation. Murray hasn't a clue what he's talking about when he gets on his sectarian soapbox, that much is obvious. He has done enormous damage to the club today with his ill-considered words and the coming weeks will see every detractor of Rangers use these words to launch a fresh series of attacks. But we know that the big putz is actually showing his fragility.
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Despite a clear sense of why the BBC in Scotland is determined to maintain this agenda, I'm still amazed that there is sufficient political vacuum between here and London to allow it to continue. The RST was entirely right to issue that statement. It just should have been issued sooner and, like several others, I definitely think it could have been better constructed.
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Such a good post. So many problems. The issue for me isn't that we sold Cuellar and Hutton, it's that we are developing so few of them. We're now in a position, as you rightly say, where we have to be selling these sort of players - but don't have the people or infrastructure to produce them. So we not only have too few sellable players to raise income from, we also have to go out and spend money to replace them. It's utter madness and shows beyond doubt the lack of foresight and understanding - the sheer absence of the leadership you also identify. Years of precedent says Murray will only bring more of the same and Smith was a consumate solution for Murray's discomfort at his own PLG mess, but never a solution for Rangers. There won't be debate at the AGM and we all know there won't be elsewhere either so long as this chairman in in place. We're left to be observers in a storm, hoping like hell that there will be something left when it's all over. The start to the season (Europe excepted) has merely provided mild but temporary relief from the growing and increasingly urgent crisis gathering around this club.
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I must be missing something here, perhaps you could help me out. Exactly where did I throw stones or make personal attack on anyone? It's kind of ironic while debating this particular topic that someone should be so willingly offended.
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That's fair enough and I appreciate your explanation. It is your perogative to take these decisions, I just think there is a conflict of logic in banning the same language we are apparently striving to use freely elsewhere. Your point about the appropriate use of such language is debatable. Referring to the media as feenyan could be entirely accurate if the intention is to describe them as such. We'll have to disagree on this but just as it's your privilege to decide to censor these words, it's presumably OK to make a reasonable challenge to that decision. Having done so, I'm happy to leave it there.
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I'm sorry you again feel you have to lash out like this. I was trying to make a serious point in direct response to another poster. I made no reference to spewing hatred, miltants shouting hatred on street corners, and I really don't think you needed to call me childish for anything I wrote in that post. I don't know who Barry is but I do know you make a habit of these aggressive posts and I would prefer you directed them elsewhere.
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We've got to careful here that we do not appoint the media as the arbiters of what rights are allocated to divisions of society. The media choose to influence how the Rangers community is portrayed, they do not decide what rights we have in comparison to others. "Rights" are determined by political authority, whether this is at national or even at UEFA level. Invariably, any examination of these rights will reveal that equality reigns supreme and that we are afforded as many rights as any other sector of society. Our problems is not one of inequality of rights. It is that the treatment of Rangers within that framework of rights is biased and demeaning. We are correct to challenge the BBC and others for what is persistent and overt institutional favouritism, reflecting the sectarian views of authoritative individuals within those organisations. We have all the rights we could hope for, what we do not enjoy is equality.
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I don't think it's immature to fight back and if the other side choose the field then that's where we have to play. I'm not against fighting fire with fire, just clarifying what I think the ideal outcome would be. The immaturity I referred to in my previous post was this absurd practice on this forum of seeing the f en i a n word come up as a series of asterisks. On the one hand we accuse the republican scum of dishonest behaviour and acting like shrinking violets but at the same time do our best to emulate them by censoring the very word we say should be freely used. I'm suggesting admin on here have got this seriously wrong and need to rethink how these things are handled.
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The ideal balance would be to allow people to say what they want. I don't want anyone prevented from calling me a hun if that is what they think I am. Similarly, I expect to refer to someone as a f e n i a n if that is indeed how he presents himself. The f e n i a n s in this country decided however that this should be a one-way street and our f e n i a n media willingly complied, creating this pathetic situation where both sides are indulging in a ridiculous dictionary debate about whose word is the worst word. That is what is really unacceptable. As is the fact that this forum contributes to the stupidity of the situation by preventing the word "f e n i a n" from appearing on the page. We really need to stop the immaturity that this practice represents.
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It's a total disgrace and as Frankie says, it's been like this for years. Of the current squad, only Davis looks like he knows how to take a corner kick. Presumably, someone in the coaching staff appoints individual players to take corners and free kicks. I'd love to know on what basis certain players are credited with this ability because it's anything but apparent from the stands.
